For those that want to draft a WR in the first round.... - Page 7

chop · 04-13-2007, 07:46 AM

Doesn't look like it will happen.

http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/69032.html

Chiefs won’t get grabby

Team doesn’t place a high priority on wide receivers in the upcoming NFL draft.

By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star

Herm Edwards was talking recently about the players who will catch passes for the Chiefs next season. He took care to mention two young wide receivers, Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon, even though they had three receptions between them as rookies last season.
“We’ve got two young guys, and I want to see whether they can play or not,” Edwards said. “I know one thing: We don’t cover them in practice very well.”
Is it just draft talk, designed to convince the NFL’s 31 other teams the Chiefs have no intention of selecting a receiver in the upcoming player lottery?
Perhaps. But know two things. First, Edwards isn’t big, even in the days leading to the draft, on talking up prospects he doesn’t have expectations for.
The other is that the Chiefs don’t view improving the position as a top priority, certainly not as much as their fans do. They made no move in free-agency to sign a wide receiver.
The only top wide receiver known to be visiting with the Chiefs next week, when they intend to bring up to 30 draft prospects to Arrowhead Stadium, is Robert Meachem of Tennessee.
Among the top receivers not scheduled to visit are Sidney Rice of South Carolina, Steve Smith of USC, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis of LSU, Paul Williams of Fresno State and Yamon Figurs of Kansas State.
While this is insignificant taken alone, it is another indication the Chiefs believe they have bigger positional priorities in the draft, such as cornerback and defensive tackle.
The Chiefs could use another wide receiver and will probably select at least one. They may be content to wait until later in the draft to do it.
“When you draft a receiver in the first round, a lot of times it’s buyer beware,” Edwards said. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations.
“You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.”
Unless a draft pick pushes his way into the playing rotation, starters Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker along with Webb and Hannon will be the top wide receivers next season.
The Chiefs are trying to trade Dante Hall, who hasn’t given them what they hoped as either a slot receiver or kick returner in recent seasons. He may be released if he isn’t traded.
The Chiefs are counting on dramatic improvement from Webb, a sixth-round pick last year, and Hannon, who wasn’t drafted. Webb is bigger and more physical, and Hannon is faster but must get stronger.
“They’ve got some talent,” Edwards said. “They have enough that they’ve earned the opportunity to try to play. That’s what we’ve emphasized. We’re trying to create competition.
“It’s just a matter of getting to the details of what we’re trying to do. Now they know what we want from them. They’re not just trying to figure out what to do. ”
To Webb and Hannon, it’s a gift that the Chiefs haven’t added a wide receiver, at least so far.
“That’s the coach’s decision,” Webb said. “I don’t know what they’re thinking. All I can do is work on Jeff Webb and try to be a good player.
“Hannon and I are doing our jobs right now. We’re working extra hours when it comes time to lift weights and (spending) extra hours out on the practice field with Brodie (Croyle).”
Kennison has been a regular at the offseason workouts since they began almost two weeks ago. He recently turned 34, an advanced age for a wide receiver.
But Kennison keeps himself in good physical condition. His streak of two straight 1,000-yard seasons was ended last year, but that had more to do with problems elsewhere in the Chiefs’ passing game than with any drop-off in Kennison’s play.
“I’m not going to let anybody else determine when I retire from this game,” he said. “I want to retire when I’m ready. And I’m not ready.
“I’m better at taking care of myself: diet, exercise, doing the things that are right all the time. I’m not a guy that hangs out in the nightspots. I’m not a drinker. I keep finding ways to do things better. The workouts continue to get better for me. It makes things easier. That’s my whole deal.”

Mecca · 04-14-2007, 11:04 AM

If Pollard and Croyle start and suck it will make that draft not look so good, there's a difference in starter and productive starter........Samie Parker is a drafted starter I still consider him a shit pick.

The reason people around here keep saying WR is it has been a pressing need for over a decade and this draft board shows that it is highly likely that a WR will be the best available player when we are drafting.

If this team reaches on Tank Tyler, Daymion Hughes who I like but not as a 1st rounder or some crap Tackle I will seriously throw shit at my TV. I'd rather pick Ted Ginn than do that shit and I don't even like Ginn.

crazycoffey · 04-14-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If Pollard and Croyle start and suck it will make that draft not look so good, there's a difference in starter and productive starter........Samie Parker is a drafted starter I still consider him a shit pick.

The reason people around here keep saying WR is it has been a pressing need for over a decade and this draft board shows that it is highly likely that a WR will be the best available player when we are drafting.

If this team reaches on Tank Tyler, Daymion Hughes who I like but not as a 1st rounder or some crap Tackle I will seriously throw shit at my TV. I'd rather pick Ted Ginn than do that shit and I don't even like Ginn.

Is Justin Harrell still a reach too? I'd rather go for Harrell than Ginn.

ChiefsCountry · 04-14-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

Is Justin Harrell still a reach too? I'd rather go for Harrell than Ginn.

Yes

Mecca · 04-14-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

Is Justin Harrell still a reach too? I'd rather go for Harrell than Ginn.

Well if you want a guy who'll probably miss 4-5 games a year........I really don't like the DT's this year. I don't think this is the year to be addressing that position.

To me the Chiefs can find a starting caliber WR and CB with the first 2 picks without much of a problem, if they take a DT there's a legit chance that he'll bust and we won't get a starter at 1 of the other positions.......

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-14-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

Is Justin Harrell still a reach too? I'd rather go for Harrell than Ginn.

Tamba Hali was supposedly a "reach."

Mecca · 04-14-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Tamba Hali was supposedly a "reach."

That's completely different he was in the 10-15 range before workouts then dropped because of them.......

Guys like Justin Harrell were never 1st's and are rising because of workouts..........it's total opposite.

milkman · 04-14-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

Is Justin Harrell still a reach too? I'd rather go for Harrell than Ginn.

Harrell is intriging.

One wonders where his draft stock might have been had he not missed most of the season due to injury.

With that injury he was still considered a mid 2nd round pick.

His stock has risen since the end of the season, but he's something of an enigma as the result of that missed season.

milkman · 04-14-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That's completely different he was in the 10-15 range before workouts then dropped because of them.......

Guys like Justin Harrell were never 1st's and are rising because of workouts..........it's total opposite.

Had he played through the season, he might have been a guy that was a first round prospect.

Mr. Laz · 04-14-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Tamba Hali was supposedly a "reach."

yea ....... a reach of like 10 draft spots

hardly the same as drafting William bartee in the 2nd round instead of the 4th.

or savaii in the 2nd intead of the 6th

etc,etc

crazycoffey · 04-14-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well if you want a guy who'll probably miss 4-5 games a year........I really don't like the DT's this year. I don't think this is the year to be addressing that position.

To me the Chiefs can find a starting caliber WR and CB with the first 2 picks without much of a problem, if they take a DT there's a legit chance that he'll bust and we won't get a starter at 1 of the other positions.......

why will he miss 4-5 games a year?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-14-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That's completely different he was in the 10-15 range before workouts then dropped because of them.......

Guys like Justin Harrell were never 1st's and are rising because of workouts..........it's total opposite.

My point is, everyone takes Jesus Kiper Jr. and the rest of these so-called draft experts at their word regarding these guys.

Joe Montana in the 3rd?

Tom Brady in the 6th?

Marques Colston in the 7th?

Ryan Leaf, Tim Coach, etc.

Stock rising, stock dropping.

All a bunch of BS, if you ask me.

crazycoffey · 04-14-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Harrell is intriging.

One wonders where his draft stock might have been had he not missed most of the season due to injury.

With that injury he was still considered a mid 2nd round pick.

His stock has risen since the end of the season, but he's something of an enigma as the result of that missed season.

did you see him on Path to the draft the other day, thursday I think.....

milkman · 04-14-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

did you see him on Path to the draft the other day, thursday I think.....

No, missed it.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-14-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

yea ....... a reach of like 10 draft spots

hardly the same as drafting William bartee in the 2nd round instead of the 4th.

or savaii in the 2nd intead of the 6th

etc,etc

Exactly. See post 59.

You may have misunderstood the sarchasm in my post. Hali was supposedly a reach, but turned out to be a phenomenal pick.

I'm saying Harrell or Tyler could be as well, even though people think they are a reach at 23.

Mr. Laz · 04-14-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Exactly. See post 59.

You may have misunderstood the sarchasm in my post. Hali was supposedly a reach, but turned out to be a phenomenal pick.

I'm saying Harrell or Tyler could be as well, even though people think they are a reach at 23.

04-13-2007, 07:46 AM
chop Go Chiefs! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $884270	For those that want to draft a WR in the first round.... Doesn't look like it will happen. http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/69032.html Chiefs won’t get grabby Team doesn’t place a high priority on wide receivers in the upcoming NFL draft. By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Herm Edwards was talking recently about the players who will catch passes for the Chiefs next season. He took care to mention two young wide receivers, Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon, even though they had three receptions between them as rookies last season. “We’ve got two young guys, and I want to see whether they can play or not,” Edwards said. “I know one thing: We don’t cover them in practice very well.” Is it just draft talk, designed to convince the NFL’s 31 other teams the Chiefs have no intention of selecting a receiver in the upcoming player lottery? Perhaps. But know two things. First, Edwards isn’t big, even in the days leading to the draft, on talking up prospects he doesn’t have expectations for. The other is that the Chiefs don’t view improving the position as a top priority, certainly not as much as their fans do. They made no move in free-agency to sign a wide receiver. The only top wide receiver known to be visiting with the Chiefs next week, when they intend to bring up to 30 draft prospects to Arrowhead Stadium, is Robert Meachem of Tennessee. Among the top receivers not scheduled to visit are Sidney Rice of South Carolina, Steve Smith of USC, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis of LSU, Paul Williams of Fresno State and Yamon Figurs of Kansas State. While this is insignificant taken alone, it is another indication the Chiefs believe they have bigger positional priorities in the draft, such as cornerback and defensive tackle. The Chiefs could use another wide receiver and will probably select at least one. They may be content to wait until later in the draft to do it. “When you draft a receiver in the first round, a lot of times it’s buyer beware,” Edwards said. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations. “You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.” Unless a draft pick pushes his way into the playing rotation, starters Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker along with Webb and Hannon will be the top wide receivers next season. The Chiefs are trying to trade Dante Hall, who hasn’t given them what they hoped as either a slot receiver or kick returner in recent seasons. He may be released if he isn’t traded. The Chiefs are counting on dramatic improvement from Webb, a sixth-round pick last year, and Hannon, who wasn’t drafted. Webb is bigger and more physical, and Hannon is faster but must get stronger. “They’ve got some talent,” Edwards said. “They have enough that they’ve earned the opportunity to try to play. That’s what we’ve emphasized. We’re trying to create competition. “It’s just a matter of getting to the details of what we’re trying to do. Now they know what we want from them. They’re not just trying to figure out what to do. ” To Webb and Hannon, it’s a gift that the Chiefs haven’t added a wide receiver, at least so far. “That’s the coach’s decision,” Webb said. “I don’t know what they’re thinking. All I can do is work on Jeff Webb and try to be a good player. “Hannon and I are doing our jobs right now. We’re working extra hours when it comes time to lift weights and (spending) extra hours out on the practice field with Brodie (Croyle).” Kennison has been a regular at the offseason workouts since they began almost two weeks ago. He recently turned 34, an advanced age for a wide receiver. But Kennison keeps himself in good physical condition. His streak of two straight 1,000-yard seasons was ended last year, but that had more to do with problems elsewhere in the Chiefs’ passing game than with any drop-off in Kennison’s play. “I’m not going to let anybody else determine when I retire from this game,” he said. “I want to retire when I’m ready. And I’m not ready. “I’m better at taking care of myself: diet, exercise, doing the things that are right all the time. I’m not a guy that hangs out in the nightspots. I’m not a drinker. I keep finding ways to do things better. The workouts continue to get better for me. It makes things easier. That’s my whole deal.”
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