San Diego Joins the 21st Century supports gay marriage.

[Anyong Bluth]

Dane,

Your response is no more tolerant that those that oppose gay marriage or adoption. Making broad generalizations about people simply based upon location is just as stereotypical.

Taking an equally cut and dry approach to those unaccepting simply makes you just as unaccepting to other's right to their opinion.

If you really want to cause other's to reexamine their viewpoints, it will never be done by fighting venom with venom.

It is true though, that most gay couples that adopt or have kids are blue chip earners, usually highly educated. It's not like they are putting the kids to bed and rushing off to the nearest gay bar that is having a foam party to party down.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Cocina_Basement

Dane,

Your response is no more tolerant that those that oppose gay marriage or adoption. Making broad generalizations about people simply based upon location is just as stereotypical.

It's not a "broad generalization". It's far from broad, as evidenced by the responses of those who live in the midwest. Additionally, having spent 27 years in Kansas and now 14 in California (both northern and southern), I think I'm in a far better position to make a "generalization" than those who live in Nebraska and make "broad generalizations" about how children 2,000 miles away would react in a given situation. Especially when it's been noted numerous times that the midwest is far different from the west coast.

What do I need to be "tolerant" of, anyway? People who feel that children of mixed races are somehow different than single race children? People who feel that gay parents will somehow make life more difficult for their adoptive children just because the parents are gay?

If that's what you're implying, I'll take my "intolerance" over theirs any day of the week.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's not a "broad generalization". It's far from broad, as evidenced by the responses of those who live in the midwest. Additionally, having spent 27 years in Kansas and now 14 in California (both northern and southern), I think I'm in a far better position to make a "generalization" than those who live in Nebraska and make "broad generalizations" about how children 2,000 miles away would react in a given situation. Especially when it's been noted numerous times that the midwest is far different from the west coast.

What do I need to be "tolerant" of, anyway? People who feel that children of mixed races are somehow different than single race children? People who feel that gay parents will somehow make life more difficult for their adoptive children just because the parents are gay?

If that's what you're implying, I'll take my "intolerance" over theirs any day of the week.

Great, you spent a long time in Kansas, and then in California. I'm sorry, but whooptee-freekin-do!!

You and I both agree on this issue, but I find you're response to be completely smug. Do you need to be tolerant of people's opinions that are 2000 miles away. YES. If you want to hold yourself out there as some progressive west coaster that is clued in where all the folks back in the midwest don't understand, then yes, I expect you to demonstrate a higher degree of intellect and understanding on tolerance.

Tolerance goes both ways- both in accepting and not accepting. You can't possibly claim to be a person that embraces all lifestyles if you simply dismiss those that are less open-minded about such issues.


If we want to give a run down of all the BS and what-not, I could take to task the simple fact you choose to live in Hollywood. In reality, I could care less. My entire dad's side of the family all still live out there. I am sure you're clued in enough to recognize the company CAA? I used to work there before deciding to move to Chicago. I find southern California to be both very positively progressive, and still at most vapid. Asinine comments by people when referring to the midwest as the "middle east" simply because it's middle from the east coast as a cute little nickname puts me off.

Yes, the midwest has its fair share of pigheaded individuals, but I can more tolerate that than a bunch of holier than thou, perpetual commuters, chastising any and all things sans California. I remember hearing comments from people saying that all the midwest was were strip malls filled with banks and liquor stores. Even though LA is the biggest suburban sprawl of them all, and all you have to do is substitute a Trader Joe's here and there.

I have also lived a large portion of my life in Kansas, and it's far from perfect, but I've also lived in London, Copenhagen, Seville, Florence, and Paris. I love the majority of midwesterner's attitudes. It may sound cliche, but it's very salt of the earth. I love living currently in Chicago, but once the time arises when I settle down, I can't think of a better place than KC to raise a family.

I don't want to attack, but this simply strikes me as an overly liberal condemnation of both those that have the right to voice their opinions but their voice doesn't quite fall in line with what you want to hear so it's belittled and catogorized because you read his location, possibly.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Cocina_Basement

Great, you spent a long time in Kansas, and then in California. I'm sorry, but whooptee-freekin-do!!

You and I both agree on this issue, but I find you're response to be completely smug. Do you need to be tolerant of people's opinions that are 2000 miles away. YES. If you want to hold yourself out there as some progressive west coaster that is clued in where all the folks back in the midwest don't understand, then yes, I expect you to demonstrate a higher degree of intellect and understanding on tolerance.

Tolerance goes both ways- both in accepting and not accepting. You can't possibly claim to be a person that embraces all lifestyles if you simply dismiss those that are less open-minded about such issues.

Gee, thanks for the pep talk. You're what, 28 years old? Well, I'm almost 42. 42!

I like how you're defending tolerance by stating that those close minded people living in the midwest should be defended for their out-dated misconceptions and ill-conceived perceptions. What? That makes no sense. Let's defend those who make ridiculous and hurtful statements because they should be accepted as well? WTF?

Are you married to an Asian woman? I am. Do you have any idea how difficult it is for her to ever VISIT Kansas City? She's Filipino and stands out like a sore thumb. We went to Tanner's on 119th & College a few years back and you'd have thought that Osama Bin Laden had walked in the door when we entered. It was very difficult for her with everyone staring (and BTW, she's second generation, UCLA math major grad - not someone who just arrived). THAT does not happen in on the West Coast. Or NYC or Miami or any place other than the Midwest.

My family has made EMBARRASSING comments while around her and they've made EMBARRASSING comments about gays and in the presence of gays while visiting Los Angeles. It's not that they intend to be hurtful but the comments are very hurtful. I realize that it's a product of their environment but PLEASE, don't defend people that make those comments as intelligent, wise and experienced people.

You've only been on the 'Planet for a short period of time so you have NO IDEA how people in California are treated and viewed. Most of the Cali people will agree with me that there is an unfavorable view of us West Coasters, regardless of the fact that most of us have spent a considerable amount of time living in the Midwest.

If you don't think that Bugeater's comments are a product of his experience and environment, then you must come to the conclusion that he's a hateful person. I don't believe that. But I do believe that his lack of experience in dealing with gays and non-whites has shaped his ill-informed and biased opinions.

Thanks for bringing up the "Liberal" thing again, though you failed to realize that YOU are assuming that since I live in California, I'm automatically liberal. Nice. For the record (and for about the 1,231 time), I've voted Republican in four elections and for the Democrats once.

[HolmeZz]

"Sexual social behavior

Sexual intercourse plays a major role in Bonobo society, being used as a greeting, a means of conflict resolution and post-conflict reconciliation, and as favors traded by the females in exchange for food. Bonobos are the only non-human apes to have been observed engaging in all of the following sexual activities: face-to-face genital sex (most frequently female-female, then male-female and male-male), tongue kissing, and oral sex.[15] In scientific literature, the female-female sex is often referred to as GG rubbing or genital-genital rubbing, while male-male sex is sometimes referred to as penis fencing."

Hot.

[Ugly Duck]

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Hot.

Yes... but should they be allowed to adopt?

[Ultra Peanut]

As someone who subscribes to a religion that requires at least three to five acts of fellatio and/or cunnilingus per year, I find SLAG's persecution heinous and disturbing.

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

One word.... Bonobo

Oh hey, you've heard of the International Church of the Divine Bonobo.

Seriously, those things are awesome. It's like the chimps got the asshole gene and bonobos got the "sure dude, whatever" gene.

[LocoChiefsFan]

We had a Gay mayor but he just resigned last week. Gay marriage has never been an issue here and I hope it never is.

[HolmeZz]

Preventing gay rights will make them go away!

They'll have to learn to be straight.

[Ultra Peanut]

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Preventing gay rights will make them go away!

They'll have to learn to be straight.

At least that makes more sense than "Preventing gay rights will lead everyone to accept them, in time! We're just not ready as a society yet!"

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Preventing gay rights will make them go away!

They'll have to learn to be straight.

Oh geeez, i dont think most people want them to go away...its been here as long as people have.

I dont want them to endure slurs or harassment or beat them up or whatever...let them live their lives...let them marry...its all good.

I simply feel that kids change the equation.

Thats it, i SWEAR, my last post on this.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by scott free

Oh geeez, i dont think most people want them to go away...its been here as long as people have.

I dont want them to endure slurs or harassment or beat them up or whatever...let them live their lives...let them marry...its all good.

I simply feel that kids change the equation.

Thats it, i SWEAR, my last post on this.

i'd say there is a good 33% of people that do want them to go away


they are called Neocons

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Laz

i'd say there is a good 33% of people that do want them to go away


they are called Neocons

Hah...i'm sure even Darth Dick Cheney loves his daughter...in some cold, heartless way.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by scott free

Hah...i'm sure even Darth Dick Cheney loves his daughter...in some cold, heartless way.

pulled you back in

Originally Posted by scott free

Thats it, i SWEAR, my last post on this.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by Laz

i'd say there is a good 33% of people that do want them to go away


they are called Neocons

Dammit 200 posts and it never really went political, now it has lost its virginity.