Jonathan Rand: What if (Matt) Ryan's there?

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I guess you better never speak of Dorsey again because he has question marks...

His injury status has been cleared

[Mecca]

Lets take Keith Rivers then, he's safe!

[Deberg_1990]

I wish we would have never drafted Derrick Thomas. He never could tackle very well.

[KCChiefsMan]

good God, I just watched a little bit of NFL Live and here comes Mel Kiper with his new mock. He now has us taking Branden Albert, passing up Ellis and gholston. That guy is a freaking moron. He also had Talib going #10, as much of a KU homer as I am, that's just stupid. Why do I even watch ESPN?

[KCChiefsMan]

man I wish the draft would just hurry up!

[007]

Doesn't matter. Either way the Chiefs will make the wrong decision.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Guru

Doesn't matter. Either way the Chiefs will make the wrong decision.

Wow. You're a glass is 1/2 empty kind of guy aren't ya.

Dwayne Bowe to this point looks like an outstanding pick. Cheer up.

[milkman]

Even if the Chiefs could draft Ryan, they’d have to wonder who’d be blocking for him. It makes no sense to commit a high pick to a quarterback if you can’t protect him, and the Chiefs stand three starters short of a decent line. When the Browns drafted Quinn, they’d already solidified their protection by taking Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas with the third overall pick.

This is the dumbest argument one could possibly make against drafting a top 5 QB.
Yeah, JR, we can't possibly consider taking a QB, cause there isn't any hope at all that the O-Line can't be fixed with later picks in this draft, and in the next draft.

Houston’s David Carr was a classic case of a highly drafted quarterback who received scant protection. The first overall pick in 2002, he was sacked 249 times during his first years as a Texan. Recently released by the Panthers, it’s tough to know whether Carr ever had the tools to win in the NFL. But it’s fair to say it was hard for him to develop while staring at the sky.

David Carr is not a classic case.

That Houston O-Line, while pretty bad, was made to look worse than they were by David Carr.

The guy could never read defenses, and held on to the ball too long, something that was listed as a weakness for him when he was coming out of school.
He never learned.

I said before the '07 season that I thought the Texans would give up almost half as many sacks without Carr.

I haven't looked up the numbers, but I'd bet that was a pretty good guess.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by milkman

This is the dumbest argument one could possibly make against drafting a top 5 QB.
Yeah, JR, we can't possibly consider taking a QB, cause there isn't any hope at all that the O-Line can't be fixed with later picks in this draft, and in the next draft.




David Carr is not a classic case.

That Houston O-Line, while pretty bad, was made to look worse than they were by David Carr.

The guy could never read defenses, and held on to the ball too long, something that was listed as a weakness for him when he was coming out of school.
He never learned.

I said before the '07 season that I thought the Texans would give up almost half as many sacks without Carr.

I haven't looked up the numbers, but I'd bet that was a pretty good guess.

They gave up 22 sacks last year.

Just goes to show that the QB is just as responsible for allowing a sack as the OLmen are.

Hell, the Chiefs were an example of that last year.

Damon Huard was sacked once per 9.22 attempts with the starting OL the majority of the time.

Brodie Croyle was sacked once per 13.17 attempts, with his action coming at the end of the year when they were playing backups such as Niswanger and Taylor, and McIntosh was out.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by milkman

This is the dumbest argument one could possibly make against drafting a top 5 QB.

Yeah, JR, we can't possibly consider taking a QB, cause there isn't any hope at all that the O-Line can't be fixed with later picks in this draft, and in the next draft.

100% agree.

What I love even more about that argument is that there's not an O-linemen that will be available worthy of the 5th pick when we draft anyways. Long will be gone and everybody else IMO will be a reach at 5.

So we won't begin to rebuild the O-line until round 2 anyways... It's the same thing.

[NUMBER7]

Originally Posted by suds79

100% agree.

What I love even more about that argument is that there's not an O-linemen that will be available worthy of the 5th pick when we draft anyways. Long will be gone and everybody else IMO will be a reach at 5.

So we won't begin to rebuild the O-line until round 2 anyways... It's the same thing.

Excellent point...why take a chance when you can pick the number 4 rated player in the draft.

[Mecca]

I really wish people would stop throwing up names like David Carr, he and Ryan are so far apart from each other in the type of players and prospects they are. Every QB rated high is not like every other one...compare Ryan to guys he is actually like. He is not a guy with nothing but a cannon arm who vaulted up due to scouts loving that which is what many of the guys who busted he gets compared to were/are.

Also guess what, Croyle fell because of injury history and not talent? He's still getting injured..anyone have confidence that guy can play a whole season...I certainly don't.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

If Ryan is there, you have to take him. It's time to give this another shot.