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Old 05-13-2008, 12:23 PM  
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OK Mr. Croyle, I've defended loyally on this forum.
It's time for you to reward me and the the rest of your defenders. I'm looking forward to reading a piece on the Star about how you have dedicated this off-season to gaining 10-15 pounds of muscle. I hope you haven't forgotten that as a necessary step for your career and gaining respect of the fans and your teammates.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:52 PM   #91
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Take off the homer glasses. Are you seriously saying he isn't more likely to be nothing than to be a functional starting QB?
That's where the smart money is, Mr. Brock, to be sure. Still, the same thing could have been said about the kid playing for New England at one time.

If we all have positive thoughts, the ethers may well turn in our favor for once.

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Old 05-14-2008, 02:52 PM   #92
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Croyle's time to shine/fail is coming, New OL, WR's, RB's ,TE's,FB's better O Coach.....

let's hope he put his winter off-season to good use. bulking up a bit.
This is the biggest opportunity of his life thus far. He had better be getting prepared for it.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:53 PM   #93
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Are you seriously saying he isn't more likely to be nothing than to be a functional starting QB?
Its definitely possible, he made some throws in 07 that only a handful of QB's can make.

Also, his numbers stack up very well to some of the big shot QB's...how anyone could look at those & conclude that he's nothing more than a warm body is beyond me.

He MIGHT be nothing more than average, but what i've seen gives me hope.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:55 PM   #94
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Croyle has had 6 games. Those guys have had 11 or more. Further, one's spot in the draft hardly accounts for much of anything, especially as QBs go.
Yep. joe Montana was a third rounder too. And Tom Brady a 6th.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:56 PM   #95
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Croyle's a Third Round pick and doesn't warrant the same kind of commitment.

Oh and incidentally he had 3 pre-season starts where he looked like dogshit.

Most of the starting QB's in the NFL were drafted in the First Round.
Come on.
No, you pick a QB and you build. Round of the draft has nothing to do with it.


Secondly:
Brady - 6th
Brees - 2nd
Romo - UDFA
Favre - 2nd
Palmer - 1st
Kitna - UDFA
Manning - 1st
Hasselback - 6th
Anderson - 6th
Cutler - 1st
Warner - UDFA
Manning - 1st
McNabb - 1st
Roethlisberger - 1st
Rivers - 1st
Campbell - 1st
Young - 1st
Garrard - 4th
Bulger - 6th
Schaub - 3rd
Harrington - 1st
Jackson - 2nd
Griese - 3rd
Lemon - UDFA
Pennington - 1st
Boller - 1st
Edwards - 3rd

Only 12 first round draft picks in this list, which is sorted by Yards. If ANYTHING, this proves that the draft is no show of what kind of QB the player will be.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:57 PM   #96
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I believe if you think you have your guy you treat him with the same amount of care as you would a first rounder. Wouldn't you be pissing down your leg if you didn't?
Absolutely not.
That's the way of the NFL.
Third Round picks aren't afforded the same kind of patience.
It's a much smaller commitment.

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Fact is, he WILL get that time. He will have this entire season to do just that.
This organization would be foolish to make him the unequivocal starter despite poor performance. Especially if he comes out and lays another stink nugget in the pre-season. If he wins the job outright I have no problem with him being the guy. If he does not... I don't want to see him under Center.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:58 PM   #97
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Take off the homer glasses. Are you seriously saying he isn't more likely to be nothing than to be a functional starting QB?
I agree, the money on ANY young QB is that they will not be a functional starting QB. Which is why I thought we should have traded up into the second round using two of our third round picks and picked up Brohm.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:59 PM   #98
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Sadly, I saw him on the news a couple of weeks ago and he still looks the size of Barney Fife.
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:01 PM   #99
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Sadly, I saw him on the news a couple of weeks ago and he still looks the size of Barney Fife.
And Herm only gives him one bullet and makes him keep that one in his pocket.

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Old 05-14-2008, 03:18 PM   #100
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No, you pick a QB and you build. Round of the draft has nothing to do with it.


Secondly:
Brady - 6th
Brees - 2nd
Romo - UDFA
Favre - 2nd
Palmer - 1st
Kitna - UDFA
Manning - 1st
Hasselback - 6th
Anderson - 6th
Cutler - 1st
Warner - UDFA
Manning - 1st
McNabb - 1st
Roethlisberger - 1st
Rivers - 1st
Campbell - 1st
Young - 1st
Garrard - 4th
Bulger - 6th
Schaub - 3rd
Harrington - 1st
Jackson - 2nd
Griese - 3rd
Lemon - UDFA
Pennington - 1st
Boller - 1st
Edwards - 3rd

Only 12 first round draft picks in this list, which is sorted by Yards. If ANYTHING, this proves that the draft is no show of what kind of QB the player will be.
Also look at the amount of offensive firepower surrounding the guys at the top. that always helps.
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:23 PM   #101
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Absolutely not.
That's the way of the NFL.
Third Round picks aren't afforded the same kind of patience.
It's a much smaller commitment.



This organization would be foolish to make him the unequivocal starter despite poor performance. Especially if he comes out and lays another stink nugget in the pre-season. If he wins the job outright I have no problem with him being the guy. If he does not... I don't want to see him under Center.
If you believe he's your guy you must give him a chance to develop.
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:27 PM   #102
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croyle's offensive line last year wasn't average, it wasn't bad, it was historically bad. how the heck anyone could have been expected to suceed much a less a first year starter is beyond me.
Yeah, even Todd Blackledge would have sucked behind that line.
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:39 PM   #103
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:41 PM   #104
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You guys are so full of shit. From the other thread.

All this "croyle can't win" is bogus. If you claim to be able to know by now, you are ignorant as hell, and I blame you for our consistent one-and-outs in the playoffs.

AN ACTUAL VALID STATISTICAL COMPARISON:

CROYLE:
Comp%: 58.1
TDS: 6
INTS: 6
YDS: 1227
RTG: 69.9
W-L: 0-6

Elway:
Comp%: 47.5
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 55.7

Aikman:
Comp%: 52.9
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 52.9
W-L: 4-7

Manning:
Comp%: 56.7
TDS: 26
INTS: 28
YDS: 3739
RTG: 71.2
W-L: 3-13

Point being, Croyle is as good statistically as any one of those guys in their first major year. An additional interesting note: in games in which Elway did not play, the broncos were 4-0. You all who claim Croyle is a bust CAN'T KNOW YET. If you knew and were making the personnel decisions for these three teams, the NFL would be out of 3 HoF QBs.
Why did you omit Elway's W-L record? Was it intentional? Just curious.
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:47 PM   #105
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Why did you omit Elway's W-L record? Was it intentional? Just curious.
It must have gotten lost in some formatting issues i had.
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