Thigpen on 810

[Mi_chief_fan]

"Excited, he's (Haley) got some good qualities for a coach."

"Watched the Cardinals alot, impressed, looking forward to him bringing his scheme to KC."

"It's a fun offense: you can run the spread,I-formation, play action and go deep."

THinks KC's receivers will thrive with Haley, likes the talent at WR.

"It's great to have an offensive minded coach like Brad CHildress in MN."

Would like to see Gailey stay

"THey might clash in some ways, but i'd like to see him run the offense this year."

"I feel like right now i'm the QB for the CHiefs until i'm told otherwise."

"I'd hate to see TG go, having him here wil help us win."

"I'll try to caontact Tony after the Pro-Bowl. In this system, the TE will get the ball."

On LJ:
"As a player you always want to be happy, obviously he doesn't want to be here, that's his perogative. I would hope none of the teammates would hold a grudge for what he said if he does come back. He's really good when he wants to be."

[smittysbar]

Thig has been on this team for two years now, has been inaccurate from the start, and has not shown that it is getting any better. Yes I think he deserves and will get a shot to compete for the job, but will almost guarantee that he will lose.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

What about that final drive against the Dolphins... in probably the most defining moment of the season for Thigpen. The defense forced the Dolphins to turn the ball over and Thigpen had the opportunity to drive the offense down the field to tie the game with a touchdown.

How did Thigpen respond under the only major pressure situation he was faced with all season, the only real situation he was in to lead the Chiefs to tie and send a game into OT? He melted down... completely choked. First down- incomplete pass (not even close to the WR), Second down- another wild incompletion, Third down- Sacked (held on to the ball too long looking for Tony Gonzalez), Fourth down- INT.

And you think Sanchez or Stafford could do better simply because theyre projected to go first rd?

Does anyone here remember Peyton Manning's first season? Jeebus people

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by smittysbar

Thig has been on this team for two years now, has been inaccurate from the start, and has not shown that it is getting any better. Yes I think he deserves and will get a shot to compete for the job, but will almost guarantee that he will lose.

The only time we've been remotely competitive is when he's behind center.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

The only time we've been remotely competitive is when he's behind center.

So he's the best QB on a garbage team.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Brock

So he's the best QB on a garbage team.

yes, but we have to start somewhere


by all means, bring in competition at EVERY position but you shouldn't shit on a guy that actually helped you improve for once.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

That is exactly what happened. That is also what most teams try to do with 7th round draft picks/developmental players.

There is an OG playing for the Colts, that the Chiefs tried to this with. I think it was my first meltdown experience on the Planet.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Laz

yes, but we have to start somewhere


by all means, bring in competition at EVERY position but you shouldn't shit on a guy that actually helped you improve for once.

I want him on the team, I'm just not going to stop arguing to upgrade the position because of him.

[dj56dt58]

Originally Posted by FAX

Okay. I overstated that a little. But, I was carried away.

The point is that Gailey had to come up with a completely different offense in order to give Thigpen enough time to throw the ball with the shit that is the right side of our offensive line

FAX

fyp

[Crush]

Thigpen better learn how to play under center to give this argument any legitimacy.

The problem is that I don't believe he will be effective as a traditional QB.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Thigpen, you'll get a shot at being the starter, but thinking you are annointed the starter by default is absurd. EARN IT.

And you have to start winning in spite of a crappy defense. Or this place will go all China Syndrome on Haley/Pioli/Hunt...

[-King-]

Originally Posted by FAX

Okay. I overstated that a little. But, I was carried away.

The point is that Gailey had to come up with a completely different offense in order to get something out of Thigpen. I think we can all agree that the guy wasn't comfortable in a pro offense.

FAX

Or is it because Thigpen didn't really play in training camp so they had to make him comfortable in any way possible? The guy barely got any snaps at all, its hard to think he'd come out in an offense he isn't used to and sling the damn ball all around. Especially with Penis Curl as the QB coach. It's like if Bowe missed training camp during a time when we are using FAST blazing WRs. When he comes back, we would have to switch up a bit to make him more comfortable. Does that means he sucks? No it just means he isnt acclimated to the play style. That's the point of training camp. To get people to know the team style. You cant come in half way during the season and expect to play how every other qb plays. You have to change the playbook to your liking. Maybe next training camp you can work on the things you missed.

And maybe, because the TWO qbs before him had been injured in that style, we stopped running it. McIntosh was letting every D-End get through the line. So dropping back wasn't really an option.

But who knows, we now have a coach who knows offense, and we have a new qb coach. You guys bashed Penis Curl last year, yet you expect Thigpen to be great under him. You cant have a good student if you have a horrible teacher.

[chiefscafan]

Ok this is what I've been thinking why not bring in a vet to mentor him such as a kurt warner type. Give thigpen some coaching and watchout. I still saw him make some throws I haven't seen in years. I'm not giving up on him just yet I just think he needs sometime. He actually is pioli's type of Qb.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FAX

So ... do I have this right?

We're going to draft Sanchez ostensibly anointing him as our QBOTF ... but since El Armo is a rookie, we play Thigpen and develop him further instead of giving valuable PT to our future quarterback? Is that the plan here?

Or, are we talking about pinning our hopes on Thigpen as our QBOTF and passing on a quarterback in the draft altogether?

FAX

I think chances are good we draft a QB, but the worst thing you can do is to annoint sanchez as QBOTF if you draft him. You start the offseason off with Thigpen as the starting QB. And then you force Thigpen to fight to keep his starting position. And then by midseason, you evaluate whether Thigpen is a guy who can lead you into the future, or if you need to look in another direction. If the answer is anything but a resounding "yes", then you can him.

We have 5-6 years to learn if Sanchez is the answer. We have a little less than a half season more to learn if Thigpen is. Before we give up on Thigpen entirely as a starting QB, I want to know for absolute certain that he isn't the answer.

I know a lot of people want to start a guy like Sanchez right away. But most teams don't immediately throw a young QB into the fire like Baltimore and Atlanta did. Most teams wait a half-season to start their rookie QB anyway. ESPECIALLY when you're talking about a guy like Sanchez, who might take a little longer to develop because of his inexperience.

[PastorMikH]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

What about that final drive against the Dolphins... in probably the most defining moment of the season for Thigpen. The defense forced the Dolphins to turn the ball over and Thigpen had the opportunity to drive the offense down the field to tie the game with a touchdown.

How did Thigpen respond under the only major pressure situation he was faced with all season, the only real situation he was in to lead the Chiefs to tie and send a game into OT? He melted down... completely choked. First down- incomplete pass (not even close to the WR), Second down- another wild incompletion, Third down- Sacked (held on to the ball too long looking for Tony Gonzalez), Fourth down- INT.

Seriously?

The second start of the guy's career and you're ready to throw the towel in on him because he couldn't "handle the preassure"? How many of the great QBs stuggled in their first couple of starts? In just looking at the QBs in the pro-bowl THIS year -

Peyton started all 16 games with a 3-13 record, threw 28 interceptions, his QB rating was 71

Bret Favre still throws interceptions all over the field, his first year, he threw the ball 4 times and had 2 ints. Managed 13 ints with 13 starts his second year in the nfl

Cutler managed to win 2 of his 5 starts his first season with a QB rat of 88 - probably the best first season of the AFC probowl qbs.

Kerry Collins completed less than half of his passes his first season, threw more INTs than TDs, and had a rating of 61.9.

On the NFC side, you've got...

Warner - No question about his performance once he got a chance to start. But he bounced around until he was 27 before he even got signed by his first NFL team. After 3 solid years in StL, he became a backup and was viewed by many as nothing more until he stepped up this year. His first season of true starting he neted 109 QB rating.

Brees - Threw one more TD than INT, had a QB rating of 76.9. Last pick of the 2nd round - I was frustrated because the 1st and 2nd round picks we gave for Green and DV could have been used to get him, thought he would have made a decent QB for us. But all the experts say he wouldn't have been any good in the NFL because he's only 6- too short.

Last but not least, we have Eli Manning who Giants fans wanted to send packing after 4 years.




Look back and you'll see most of the great QBs weren't stellar in their first seasons. Not every QB is going to be like Brady or Warner, ALMOST ALL of them are going to struggle for their first couple of years. Some that fair better have the luxury of playing for better teams - Cassel for example (in the list above, I'd include Favre, Cuttler and Warner in the group benifiting from a team around them their first season, as well as Tom Brady).


Last year Thigpen accounted for 1 less TD (22) than the entire Chiefs team in 2007 (23). in the games following the Bye week, his qb ratings were not too far off from some of the better QBs in the NFL. Also keep in mind, you really can't put every loss on Thigpen. We lost a lot of games, not because of Thigpen, but dropped passes, poor running, poor D, missed FGs, poor coaching and so on.


Ever since I became a Chiefs fan, one observation I've made is I don't think the Chiefs fan base as a whole could survive drafting and developing a QB. They would boo him at games, complain about his performances, and ask (beg) that coaches and management do something different.

Say we draft Stafford or Sanchez, how long does anyone think the fanbase would put up with bad numbers before they are filled with grumbling and complaining, reffering to the QB as "Another First Round Bust."

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Brock

I want him on the team, I'm just not going to stop arguing to upgrade the position because of him.

That is fine, but the people who want him gone completely sound pretty dumb. Depth is extremely important in this league and you just don't go and cut 1st year starting QB's with an 18-11 TD to INT rate.