Your grade of each individual pick in our draft. - Page 7

Direckshun · 04-26-2009, 04:05 PM

Here goes...

1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - B

I understand the Chiefs had three options: (a.) trade down when nobody wants to, (b.) take a player at good value but zero need, or (c.) make a slight reach for extreme need. The last was the best choice here, but I thought Raji would have been the better pick. Nevertheless, it's hard to complain about the best pure 3-4 DE in this Draft.

3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue - A

This was solid value for a player that will help this team out every bit that Jackson will. Magee is a very high character guy that was born with a lunchpail mentality. I hesitate to say he's the 2nd best pure 3-4 DE in this Draft, but I can't name anybody but Jackson that's obviously better. He will likely start right away.

4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State - B

Washington was great value, and if this was anywhere near being a need for us, this is an A. Simple as that. But there were so many OL and OLB available here that would have been great picks for us it's hard for me to get that excited about him. Washington should start over Carr on day one.

5. OT Cody Brown, Missouri - F

Thank god for Oakland... otherwise this would be considered the biggest reach of the draft. In the 5th round, that's incredibly hard to do. I don't know what Pioli sees in this guy to suggest he's a powerful run-blocker that could start on this team. I personally believe, right now, this guy can't be anything more than our third RT on the depth chart.

6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State - C

Not crazy about this pick, because I think there were better weapons on the board (but don't I *always* think that?). Still, Lawrence has outstanding speed and if he adjusts pretty well this year, should get some serious playing time next year. He is an intriguing prospect, easily the most interesting of everybody on this particular board.

7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State - A

This was a great, great great great pick. This guy is a poor man's LJ. Which is ironic, considering that right now LJ is a poor man's LJ. This seals the deal for Two-Sev as far as I'm concerned. See ya.

7. TBA

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-04-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

It's just the general consensus that there were a ton of "better" options available at the time. In all honesty, it's a 5th round pick FFS. It doesn't matter who you pick up in the 5th, they're pretty much gonna flame out the majority of the time.

Anything past round 3 is pretty much a gamble.

This is absolutely false.

Bad teams don't do a good job of drafting beyond the first three rounds.

Good teams do it every single draft. Whether it's the Eagles, Giants, Ravens, Patriots or Steelers, every one of those teams draft extremely well throughout the entire draft and is the main reason why those teams vie for championships each and every year.

Shitty teams like the Raiders, Chiefs, Lions, etc. continually draft poorly or don't make good use of the draft (i.e. via trades, etc.).

There was a times when the NFL draft extended through 8 rounds and even 12 rounds. UDFA's are extremely important as well.

chiefs1111 · 05-04-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

I dunno..he's enormous. Easily the biggest guy on our roster, and he's smart and has a mean streak. I think everyone is just pissed on the round he was drafted in, and not the actual pick. If we take him in the 6th round,or with any of our 3 7th rounders I don't think anyone is complaining.

It's just the general consensus that there were a ton of "better" options available at the time. In all honesty, it's a 5th round pick FFS. It doesn't matter who you pick up in the 5th, they're pretty much gonna flame out the majority of the time.

Anything past round 3 is pretty much a gamble.

Really people are pissed because the Chiefs took a guy in the 5th who they could have signed as a rookie Free Agent instead. There was still some good players at that spot we could of had instead...

Chiefnj2 · 05-04-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefs1111

Really people are pissed because the Chiefs took a guy in the 5th who they could have signed as a rookie Free Agent instead. There was still some good players at that spot we could of had instead...

Nobody really knows who would fall and who wouldn't. A day after the Raiders took their 2nd round pick that Kiper and everyone else said was a 7th rounder or UDFA, the news broke that Chicago was on the phone telling the kid they were going to take him in the 2nd.

bdeg · 05-04-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Nobody really knows who would fall and who wouldn't. A day after the Raiders took their 2nd round pick that Kiper and everyone else said was a 7th rounder or UDFA, the news broke that Chicago was on the phone telling the kid they were going to take him in the 2nd.

i have heard these rumors, do you have a link to support them?? one which cites the source of the info please

Frosty · 05-04-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

i have heard these rumors, do you have a link to support them?? one which cites the source of the info please

Later in the week during a draft wrap up show, Kiper said that Chicago is denying they ever told the kid they would take him in the second and said they had planned on looking at him in the 5th. May be damage control - who knows?

bdeg · 05-04-2009, 02:13 PM

sounds like damage control by the raiders to me

anyone else think it was kinda funny how CP said he almost traded up for Turk McBride when in reality Cleveland jumped us to get Eric Wright, who many would've guessed would've been our pick. I think he was worried it looked like a reach so to remove the pick from scrutiny he claimed their evaluation was so high they were tempted to trade up, when in reality it would've made no sense unless they hated Wright(doubt it).

Chiefnj2 · 05-04-2009, 02:49 PM

usatoday:

Criticism of Raiders' second-round pick off-base?
By Sean Leahy, USA TODAY
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The Raiders have taken some criticism among draft analysts for selecting Ohio safety Michael Mitchell with the 47th overall pick. (They also surprised many by taking Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey with the seventh pick.)

Several analysts said on ESPN and the NFL Network last night that they knew little about Mitchell. The NFLN's Mike Mayock suggested Mitchell was a late-round pick at best.

But it turns out the Raiders may have had good reason to select Mitchell at 47. The Bears told Mitchell they planned to take him with the 49th overall pick.

"When (the Bears) did that, I was like, 'I'm going to be a Chicago Bear,' " Mitchell told reporters in a conference call. "That's what I was thinking."

Bears GM Jerry Angelo ended up trading the 49th pick to Seattle after Mitchell went to Oakland. He didn't confirm his interest in Mitchell, but acknowledged he missed out on his target player.

"Unfortunately the players we targeted at 49 did not fall to us," Angelo told reporters, "and we weren't in a position that we were able to move up -- we just didn't have enough."
Hat tip: Chicago Tribune

veist · 05-04-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I guess you don't understand the word "advocating".

None of these guys were waving the flag for Duke Robinson. When asked, they made comments. They weren't screaming for him in the second round, etc. And Milkman said he has a "chance" to be a helluva guard, when asked. Not that he IS a helluva guard.

Big difference.

Let me know when saying "I think he's a sure thing" isn't advocating for a guy.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-04-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by arc

Later in the week during a draft wrap up show, Kiper said that Chicago is denying they ever told the kid they would take him in the second and said they had planned on looking at him in the 5th. May be damage control - who knows?

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

usatoday:

Criticism of Raiders' second-round pick off-base?
By Sean Leahy, USA TODAY
Buzz up!Buzz up!
Like this story? Share it with Yahoo! Buzz

The Raiders have taken some criticism among draft analysts for selecting Ohio safety Michael Mitchell with the 47th overall pick. (They also surprised many by taking Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey with the seventh pick.)

Several analysts said on ESPN and the NFL Network last night that they knew little about Mitchell. The NFLN's Mike Mayock suggested Mitchell was a late-round pick at best.

But it turns out the Raiders may have had good reason to select Mitchell at 47. The Bears told Mitchell they planned to take him with the 49th overall pick.

"When (the Bears) did that, I was like, 'I'm going to be a Chicago Bear,' " Mitchell told reporters in a conference call. "That's what I was thinking."

Bears GM Jerry Angelo ended up trading the 49th pick to Seattle after Mitchell went to Oakland. He didn't confirm his interest in Mitchell, but acknowledged he missed out on his target player.

"Unfortunately the players we targeted at 49 did not fall to us," Angelo told reporters, "and we weren't in a position that we were able to move up -- we just didn't have enough."
Hat tip: Chicago Tribune

Just because Chicago was considering taking him there doesn't justify the stupidity of the pick.

Do you honestly believe that had Scott Pioli been in Oakland's position - where a guy he had rated as a very late round prospect was supposedly in danger of being taken in the 2nd round - that he would have completely ignored not only his draft board, but the value that goes with a 2nd round pick, all because Chicago might take him 4-5 rounds early?

No.

Way.

In.

Hell.

Chiefnj2 · 05-05-2009, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Just because Chicago was considering taking him there doesn't justify the stupidity of the pick.

Do you honestly believe that had Scott Pioli been in Oakland's position - where a guy he had rated as a very late round prospect was supposedly in danger of being taken in the 2nd round - that he would have completely ignored not only his draft board, but the value that goes with a 2nd round pick, all because Chicago might take him 4-5 rounds early?

No.

Way.

In.

Hell.

Who says Oakland ignored their draft board? It is possible that NFL teams actually disagree with Mayock and Kiper (and thus 99% of all the other internet gurus who copy them). It is possible that 2 NFL teams had him rated as a 2nd round talent.

**the Talking Can** · 05-05-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Just because Chicago was considering taking him there doesn't justify the stupidity of the pick.

Do you honestly believe that had Scott Pioli been in Oakland's position - where a guy he had rated as a very late round prospect was supposedly in danger of being taken in the 2nd round - that he would have completely ignored not only his draft board, but the value that goes with a 2nd round pick, all because Chicago might take him 4-5 rounds early?

No.

Way.

In.

Hell.

well, given that Pioli has already been declared a failure and his draft a disgrace...wouldn't your answer be "yes"?

CupidStunt · 05-05-2009, 12:45 PM

Need a towel, Dane? Or do you enjoy people pissing all over you?

CupidStunt · 05-05-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by veist

Let me know when saying "I think he's a sure thing" isn't advocating for a guy.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-05-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CupidStunt

Need a towel, Dane? Or do you enjoy people pissing all over you?

What the **** are you talking about?

You're just another in a long line of pricks who don't add a ****ing thing to the Draft Forum. You just chastise and criticize others for their opinions and beliefs.

**** you, your Mother, your Father, your brothers, your sisters (I did) and anyone that looks like you.

****ing miserable ****.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-05-2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veist

Let me know when saying "I think he's a sure thing" isn't advocating for a guy.

Who said "He's a sure thing"?

04-26-2009, 04:05 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Your grade of each individual pick in our draft. Here goes... 1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - B I understand the Chiefs had three options: (a.) trade down when nobody wants to, (b.) take a player at good value but zero need, or (c.) make a slight reach for extreme need. The last was the best choice here, but I thought Raji would have been the better pick. Nevertheless, it's hard to complain about the best pure 3-4 DE in this Draft. 3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue - A This was solid value for a player that will help this team out every bit that Jackson will. Magee is a very high character guy that was born with a lunchpail mentality. I hesitate to say he's the 2nd best pure 3-4 DE in this Draft, but I can't name anybody but Jackson that's obviously better. He will likely start right away. 4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State - B Washington was great value, and if this was anywhere near being a need for us, this is an A. Simple as that. But there were so many OL and OLB available here that would have been great picks for us it's hard for me to get that excited about him. Washington should start over Carr on day one. 5. OT Cody Brown, Missouri - F Thank god for Oakland... otherwise this would be considered the biggest reach of the draft. In the 5th round, that's incredibly hard to do. I don't know what Pioli sees in this guy to suggest he's a powerful run-blocker that could start on this team. I personally believe, right now, this guy can't be anything more than our third RT on the depth chart. 6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State - C Not crazy about this pick, because I think there were better weapons on the board (but don't I always think that?). Still, Lawrence has outstanding speed and if he adjusts pretty well this year, should get some serious playing time next year. He is an intriguing prospect, easily the most interesting of everybody on this particular board. 7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State - A This was a great, great great great pick. This guy is a poor man's LJ. Which is ironic, considering that right now LJ is a poor man's LJ. This seals the deal for Two-Sev as far as I'm concerned. See ya. 7. TBA
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05-04-2009, 02:13 PM	#96
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	sounds like damage control by the raiders to me anyone else think it was kinda funny how CP said he almost traded up for Turk McBride when in reality Cleveland jumped us to get Eric Wright, who many would've guessed would've been our pick. I think he was worried it looked like a reach so to remove the pick from scrutiny he claimed their evaluation was so high they were tempted to trade up, when in reality it would've made no sense unless they hated Wright(doubt it).
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	usatoday: Criticism of Raiders' second-round pick off-base? By Sean Leahy, USA TODAY Buzz up!Buzz up! Like this story? Share it with Yahoo! Buzz The Raiders have taken some criticism among draft analysts for selecting Ohio safety Michael Mitchell with the 47th overall pick. (They also surprised many by taking Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey with the seventh pick.) Several analysts said on ESPN and the NFL Network last night that they knew little about Mitchell. The NFLN's Mike Mayock suggested Mitchell was a late-round pick at best. But it turns out the Raiders may have had good reason to select Mitchell at 47. The Bears told Mitchell they planned to take him with the 49th overall pick. "When (the Bears) did that, I was like, 'I'm going to be a Chicago Bear,' " Mitchell told reporters in a conference call. "That's what I was thinking." Bears GM Jerry Angelo ended up trading the 49th pick to Seattle after Mitchell went to Oakland. He didn't confirm his interest in Mitchell, but acknowledged he missed out on his target player. "Unfortunately the players we targeted at 49 did not fall to us," Angelo told reporters, "and we weren't in a position that we were able to move up -- we just didn't have enough." Hat tip: Chicago Tribune __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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