Chiefs At the Quarter Mark: Better or Worse? - Page 7

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05:47 PM

After the Haley hire, you couldn't throw a stick through this place without hitting someone that made the following comment:

"We'll be a better team based on coaching alone," or, "we'll win X amount of games due to coaching alone."

Yes, it's only been 4 games, and this is NOT a call for Haley's head - but is deserved criticism of the way he's prepared this team over the first 4 games of the regular season.

Also, IN NO WAY is the following an endorsement of Herman Edwards. What it is, however, is a giant red flag - this team - of which 60% has been handpicked by Pioli and Haley - is actually worse in almost all statistical categories when compared to the 2008 team after 4 games - which many here claimed were the darkest days of last season. We'll call it, B.S. - or, Before Spread.

Offensively (bolded number is 2009 totals):

1st downs: (63) (62)

3rd down conversions: (25/62 - 40%) (9/51 - 18%)

Total yards: (1145) (986)

Rushing yards: (554) (406)

Passing yards: (591) (580)

Sacks Allowed: (12) (13)

Penalties/Yardage: (10/109) 29/230

Scoring: (16.25 PPG) (16 PPG)

Not a single category in which we've improved over 2008, which happened to include going through 3 QB's - playing the 3rd stringer in 2 of the 4.

Defensively:

1st downs allowed: (74) (85)

3rd down conversions against: (25/54 - 46%) (25/58 - 43%)

Total yards allowed: (1517) (1516)

Rushing yards allowed: (706) (514)

Passing yards allowed: (811) (1002)

Sacks: (3) (5)

Points allowed: (24.25 PPG) (28 PPG)

Turnover margin: (+2) (Even)

Yea! 2 more sacks! And nice to see the 192 yard improvement from the rush defense, only to see 191 of it be given back up by the pass defense.

The 2008 team was apparently so bad that management felt the need to purge 30 players, yet is playing worse with a roster that is 60% their handpicked players?

What message are you trying to send, Todd? It seems like it changes on a weekly ****ing basis.

As someone who predicted a 3 win season, the losses aren't surprising me.

The way we are losing, after hearing the phrase, "we're going to be a big, strong, fast, smart, tough, disciplined football team" IS surprising me.

There is no improvement over the "Dark Ages" of last season in ANY of those areas. And there's no excuse for it, especially the lack of discipline. Make 'em run some more, Todd - it seems to be working...

Enough excuses - enough with the "messages" - enough petty bullshit sitting players - time to see some ****ing improvement. Not necessarily wins.

IMPROVEMENT.

carlos3652 · 10-05-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

San Diego didn't seem to have a problem racking up nearly 450 passing yards against Baltimore

SD still lost, at home... they rushed for less than 40 yds, and 200+yards of the 450 yards were on 4 passes... + I dont think you feel we are even close to having the offense that SD has, do you? Thats a top 5 offense of course they are going to put up numbers at home...

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

NO didn't seem to have a problem putting up 48 against Philly

NO offense is ridiculous... They put up #'s vs everyone...

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dallas didn't seem to struggle running all over the Giants and dropping 31 on them.

They did struggle, they turned it over 4 times at home vs the giants... they put up #'s at home vs a divisional rival... we would do the same... they lost to them at home...

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Those defenses aren't top 5 because they're necessarily great defenses. One of the reasons why they are so high is because they played our sorry asses.

Hamas, i like your posting and usually you make good points... but those defenses are top 5 year in and out...

**Easy 6** · 10-05-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

Damn nice website...rep.

Take a real good gander at our Dogshit Draft up there in the right hand corner.

Year after year after year, of THAT...does a lot to explain the current situation.

Could Pioli have done better in free agency, should he have picked up an O-lineman or two in the draft?...the short answer is - yes. But even had he aced all of it, it wouldnt have fixed all of those wasted years.

That draft list for '01 makes me want to, literally, puke.

**Dave Lane** · 10-05-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Holy Jesus.

Those Evelyn Wood Speed Reading classes are really paying off, Mic.

Yawn...

Get back to me next year then we can talk...

milkman · 10-05-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

We're appreciably worse but that's to be expected when you're installing new offensive and defensive systems and dumping talent like Tony Gonzalez.

By the way, we are a better team than we were at the beginning of last year when we tried to run the pro set to futility. And I believe we will be a better team by the end of the year than we were at the end of 2008.

We took two steps backwards to get pointed in the right direction. It will pay off.

We're not running the pro set to futility this year?

That's a news flash to me.

I see Cassel as only a slight improvement, if that, over Thigpen in the pro set.

His success came in the shotgun and spread formations with the Pats last year, and I haven't really seen any indication yet that he is any more competent out of the pro set than Thigpen.

Reerun_KC · 10-05-2009, 08:40 PM

So your saying that last year with Edwards we could cruise through this schedule and easily win most of the games????

milkman · 10-05-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

It would be interesting to see these numbers during Haley's 3rd year when he has been at the helm.

All these numbers tell me is that Haley has put up near identical numbers with an overhauled team in his first year compared to Herms team which had been 3 years in the making...

The roster at the start of last year was overhauled nearly as much as the roster this year.

That team was not 3 years in the making.

keg in kc · 10-05-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

His success came in the shotgun and spread formations with the Pats last year, and I haven't really seen any indication yet that he is any more competent out of the pro set than Thigpen.

Thigpen would have about 312 interceptions by now. Otherwise I agree with you.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 08:41 PM

I don't think we are near as much a cluster**** as we were against Oakland, Carolina and Tennessee last year.

The first-quarter season stats from 2008 are being skewed big time by that game against Denver.

I do not expect this team to get beat 34-0 at any point this year. Nor do I expect a 34-10 loss at home.

Does anyone remember 7 carries, 2 yards for LJ last year in Carolina? I haven't forgotten. I do not expect to see that level if incompetency from this staff.

milkman · 10-05-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Exactly. That is a huge difference.

I know I call you a dumbass on occasion.

Don't make it so easy to prove me right.

Reerun_KC · 10-05-2009, 08:43 PM

The fact that people even care about last years teams and anything Herm Edwards has done here is ****ing stupid....

This is a total new beginning... God so many people love fail and embrace this stupid shit like reeruns in a room full of gum balls...

**DeezNutz** · 10-05-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I do not expect this team to get beat 34-0 at any point this year. Nor do I expect a 34-10 loss at home.

It's a process.

If you don't think we're going to get absolutely destroyed on the scoreboard this season, you're kidding yourself.

We've already been owned in every statistical category...so it's just a matter of time.

**DeezNutz** · 10-05-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

The fact that people even care about last years teams and anything Herm Edwards has done here is ****ing stupid....

This is a total new beginning... God so many people love fail and embrace this stupid shit like reeruns in a room full of gum balls...

No one cares.

OTW is using last season simply to show what a cluster**** this year is. It's far from praise of any kind.

Reerun_KC · 10-05-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's a process.

If you don't think we're going to get absolutely destroyed on the scoreboard this season, you're kidding yourself.

We've already been owned in every statistical category...so it's just a matter of time.

True, but at least for the first time in a decade, this team has a plan, direction and goals. They are following it all regardless of the fail on the field...

We will be a much better team in 3 years than we ever were in the last 10 years...

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's a process.

If you don't think we're going to get absolutely destroyed on the scoreboard this season, you're kidding yourself.

We've already been owned in every statistical category...so it's just a matter of time.

I don't think anyone expected us to lose by 11 to the Giants?

Could it have been worse? Yeah. It could have been 24-0 in the first half. We made a couple plays that made it only shitty instead of downright disgusting.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I do not expect this team to get beat 34-0 at any point this year. Nor do I expect a 34-10 loss at home.

We know, GoChiefs. You expect LJ to rush for more than a 100 yards each week and you expect the defense to shut down opposing offenses.

It's hilarious. Really.

10-05-2009, 01:50 PM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2041115	At the Quarter Mark: Better or Worse? After the Haley hire, you couldn't throw a stick through this place without hitting someone that made the following comment: "We'll be a better team based on coaching alone," or, "we'll win X amount of games due to coaching alone." Yes, it's only been 4 games, and this is NOT a call for Haley's head - but is deserved criticism of the way he's prepared this team over the first 4 games of the regular season. Also, IN NO WAY is the following an endorsement of Herman Edwards. What it is, however, is a giant red flag - this team - of which 60% has been handpicked by Pioli and Haley - is actually worse in almost all statistical categories when compared to the 2008 team after 4 games - which many here claimed were the darkest days of last season. We'll call it, B.S. - or, Before Spread. Offensively (bolded number is 2009 totals): 1st downs: (63) (62) 3rd down conversions: (25/62 - 40%) (9/51 - 18%) Total yards: (1145) (986) Rushing yards: (554) (406) Passing yards: (591) (580) Sacks Allowed: (12) (13) Penalties/Yardage: (10/109) 29/230 Scoring: (16.25 PPG) (16 PPG) Not a single category in which we've improved over 2008, which happened to include going through 3 QB's - playing the 3rd stringer in 2 of the 4. Defensively: 1st downs allowed: (74) (85) 3rd down conversions against: (25/54 - 46%) (25/58 - 43%) Total yards allowed: (1517) (1516) Rushing yards allowed: (706) (514) Passing yards allowed: (811) (1002) Sacks: (3) (5) Points allowed: (24.25 PPG) (28 PPG) Turnover margin: (+2) (Even) Yea! 2 more sacks! And nice to see the 192 yard improvement from the rush defense, only to see 191 of it be given back up by the pass defense. The 2008 team was apparently so bad that management felt the need to purge 30 players, yet is playing worse with a roster that is 60% their handpicked players? What message are you trying to send, Todd? It seems like it changes on a weekly **ing basis. As someone who predicted a 3 win season, the losses aren't surprising me. The way we are losing, after hearing the phrase, "we're going to be a big, strong, fast, smart, tough, disciplined football team" IS surprising me. There is no improvement over the "Dark Ages" of last season in ANY of those areas. And there's no excuse for it, especially the lack of discipline. Make 'em run some more, Todd - it seems to be working... Enough excuses - enough with the "messages" - enough petty bullshit sitting players - time to see some *ing improvement. Not necessarily wins. IMPROVEMENT. Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 10-05-2009 at 05:47 PM..*
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10-05-2009, 08:40 PM	#95
Reerun_KC Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7231160	So your saying that last year with Edwards we could cruise through this schedule and easily win most of the games????
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10-05-2009, 08:41 PM	#98
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $750478	I don't think we are near as much a cluster**** as we were against Oakland, Carolina and Tennessee last year. The first-quarter season stats from 2008 are being skewed big time by that game against Denver. I do not expect this team to get beat 34-0 at any point this year. Nor do I expect a 34-10 loss at home. Does anyone remember 7 carries, 2 yards for LJ last year in Carolina? I haven't forgotten. I do not expect to see that level if incompetency from this staff. __________________ Chiefs game films
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10-05-2009, 08:43 PM	#100
Reerun_KC Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7231160	The fact that people even care about last years teams and anything Herm Edwards has done here is ****ing stupid.... This is a total new beginning... God so many people love fail and embrace this stupid shit like reeruns in a room full of gum balls...
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