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Old 02-02-2010, 03:42 PM  
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Arguments for a Left Tackle in the 2010 Draft.

While the vast majority of drafturbators around here think that Branden Albert is doing a remarkable job and had a great last half of the season, some people believe that adding a competent offensive left tackle would be a prudent and viable selection for the Chiefs with their first pick in the 2010 NFL Draft.

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Wes Bunting: Well, after Suh, McCoy and Berry, Russell Okung's a pretty safe pick. Sure, he might not be the sexiest of guys, but honestly Branden Albert was one of the highest rated guards I'd seen and yet he hasn't yet had the type of career because he's be a run-of-the-mill tackle. You'd be surprised how quickly that offensive line would improve if you got a legit offensive tackle in there and kick Branden Albert inside. Some good things could happen.
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Fortunately, Pioli, who is a big believer in positional value, can take Okung without sacrificing too much of his team's payroll into the left tackle position. Albert makes less than $1 million in each of the next two seasons, and was a guard at Virginia anyway.

Okung is the real deal. He could take the Chiefs' offense to the next level, though the team will ultimately struggle in the playoffs because of Cassel's limitations.
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Russell Okung - This pick is a no-brainer and barring a huge screw-up, I think we can all be 99-percent assured the Kansas City Chiefs are handcuffed to taking a left tackle at this pick. It will be interesting to see whether it ends up being Okung, Anthony Davis or Bruce Campbell, as the battle for the No. 1 tackle spot is one of the best storylines of the 2010 NFL Draft.

Okung was the most consistent lineman in the nation this year and he will test out on a very high level athletically.
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The Chiefs have plenty of needs and could go in a number of different directions here but their offensive line play has been particularly troubling. In fact, Kansas City ranked among the worst in the league when it comes to sacks allowed. Oklahoma State’s Russell Okung isn’t an elite prospect in the mold of Tony Boselli, Jon Ogden or Orlando Pace but he has clearly emerged as the top offensive tackle in this class and will likely be a Top 10 pick. With good size, long arms, great strength, above-average athleticism and feet as well as top-notch intangibles, Okung is just a very good all-around blocker. Okung could slide into the starting lineup at either left or right tackle for the Chiefs and any investment in keeping franchise quarterback Matt Cassel upright is money well spent.
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I think the Chiefs could use help at safety as well, but Berry likely won't fall this far, and they'd be reaching on either of the two other safeties with first-round grades. Okung could solve two problems, making him a good value -- he could step in at LT and allow the Chiefs to move Brandon Albert to the right side. A pick that can pay immediate dividends for the Chiefs.
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If Berry should get this far, the Chiefs would be the benefactors, but Okung seems like the right fit in the right spot for Kansas City. The Chiefs have tons of needs, but in Okung they would be getting a franchise left tackle, allowing them to shift Branden Albert back to his more natural right tackle position.
It's damn near a cultural universal!

Also in opposition to people who believe that Branden Albert had a very good last four games, in the Buffalo game, he was penalized three times (tied for most in a game in 2009) and gave up a whopping five quarterback pressures. In the Cincinatti game, he was penalized twice and allow a hit on the quarterback. In actuality, taking out the fluke Denver game, which was a drive block fest as Jamaal Charles racked up a Chiefs single game rushing record, Albert did not perform well in the last quarter of the season. Yes, he didn't give up any sacks, but there were a lot of qb pressures and penalties.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:25 AM   #91
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I watched four Oklahoma State games this past season and discussed them in detail during and after the game with a couple of people who are OSU fans/boosters. (The owner of the Sports bar I hang out at is an OSU alumni, so they are always on at his joint.) But since you have no ****ing knowledge of what I watch, I readily expected something snide, ignorant and irrelevant from you in response.
I watched him quite a bit as well... and think while being a good OT I would never compare him to Joe Thomas who was as dominant as they get and you knew that would translate to the pros... I see Okung as a good middle of the 1st round LT nothing more
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:27 AM   #92
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You were bitching about our offense and how Okung wouldn't help it, but didn't provide anything of merit in terms of potential draft picks on the offensive side of the ball. That our wideouts can't get open. That Cassel sucks.

So are you advocating a guy like Bryant with the first pick? Or Bradford? Or are you just happy being the parrot on OTW's shoulder?
yeah and I can bitch about the defense as well... because it was equally awful which is why I have been pimping Eric Berry for quite a long time ... we have virtually no talent at LB so no I wouldn't be against McClain, and I don't think Cassel sucks I just think he holds on to the ball way too long... and if liking Albert and not wanting to take LT at #5 makes me a parrot than I guess that's what I am

and FTR If I were taking an offensive player with that pick I would take Bryant or Clausen with that pick before I would take Okung

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Old 02-03-2010, 12:33 AM   #93
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I watched four Oklahoma State games this past season and discussed them in detail during and after the game with a couple of people who are OSU fans/boosters. (The owner of the Sports bar I hang out at is an OSU alumni, so they are always on at his joint.) But since you have no ****ing knowledge of what I watch, I readily expected something snide, ignorant and irrelevant from you in response.
Ahh discussed it with fans. That explains the overhype. Maybe you should watch his ****ing highlight real for Christ sakes, even his pass blocking there isn't that good.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:35 AM   #94
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It helps your defense, and you know defense wins championships right?
I'll be thinking of you and your words of wisdom when I watch Peyton Manning and Drew Brees in the Super Bowl on Sunday.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:42 AM   #95
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Well said.

Cassel took 8 sacks in the final 6 games, yet played his worst football over that timeframe.

I'm sick of everyone else getting blamed for the failures of our QB.
Well said. Cassel could have 10 seconds to throw a pass,take a sack and some people here would still blame the line.
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Ahh discussed it with fans. That explains the overhype. Maybe you should watch his ****ing highlight real for Christ sakes, even his pass blocking there isn't that good.
Oh, so now we are on to the highlight reel? Well, I've seen that as well. In fact, someone posted one of his highlight "reels" on the The Lounge a week or so ago. What's next, you crying about me not seeing the game films from the other Big 12 teams defensive coordinators?

Look, I understand that you have complete tunnel vision with McClain and can't see the forest for the trees at this point, but it doesn't mean that you have to be a complete douche nozzle every single time you post.
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Well said. Cassel could have 10 seconds to throw a pass,take a sack and some people here would still blame the line.
That's fine, but until he gets a line, it's hard to ultimately judge his abilities at quarterback. The two (a good quarterback and a good line) are tied together to the point where it's almost impossible to have one without the other.
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but you don't need to have an o-line comprised of 1st rounders to win... you need impact players all over the place.. the idea that every high pick needs to be a lineman drives me ****ing crazy
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but you don't need to have an o-line comprised of 1st rounders to win... you need impact players all over the place.. the idea that every high pick needs to be a lineman drives me ****ing crazy
Who said every high pick needs to be an offensive lineman?

I mean, if the general consensus is that our offensive line is fine, we'll be able to get a receiver with our now expected top five pick next year and cross our fingers that Albert finally "gets it" in his third season of starting at the left tackle spot, and we need to focus on the defensive side of the ball, then so be it.

I hope you are all happy as pigs in mud when the Chiefs actually pick McClain, because I don't think that Okung is going to be there anyway as the Redskins desperately need an offensive tackle as do the Buccaneers.

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Oh, so now we are on to the highlight reel? Well, I've seen that as well. In fact, someone posted one of his highlight "reels" on the The Lounge a week or so ago. What's next, you crying about me not seeing the game films from the other Big 12 teams defensive coordinators?

Look, I understand that you have complete tunnel vision with McClain and can't see the forest for the trees at this point, but it doesn't mean that you have to be a complete douche nozzle every single time you post.
I haven't said a single thing about McClain in awhile **** stick. And no you obviously haven't watched his highlight reel because he ****ing sucks in pass protection outside of a few plays. He gets better protection from the right side of the line, and if they didn't get rid of the ball almost instantly after snapping he would have given up many sacks and pressures. Hell he even gets pushed back and almost into the QB in his own highlight real on a few snaps for **** sake. He is a great run blocker(except when it comes to pulling), but his pass blocking is below average.. average at the very best. He is an NFL RT. You just need to realize the difference between schemes and what players are asked to do in the NFL vs in college. You sir, are a ****ing idiot.
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You need to realize great players don't come out at every position every year. You are blind and are over valuing Okung just because of his position. LT, just like QB, will go high every single year because of position importance, not because of talent. If this were the draft Albert was in Albert would have gone before Okung, and hell Okung might not of even been a first round pick last year. If you actually understood what a great LT prospect looks like, you would be looking at Buluga, Campell, and Davis all before Okung.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:19 AM   #102
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Who said every high pick needs to be an offensive lineman?

I mean, if the general consensus is that our offensive line is fine, we'll be able to get a receiver with our now expected top five pick next year and cross our fingers that Albert finally "gets it" in his third season of starting at the left tackle spot, and we need to focus on the defensive side of the ball, then so be it.

I hope you are all happy as pigs in mud when the Chiefs actually pick McClain, because I don't think that Okung is going to be there anyway as the Redskins desperately need an offensive tackle as do the Buccaneers.

1. Suh
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4. Okung
5. McClain
Albert was just fine his rookie season.... and improved over the season this year..... the Chiefs can draft other lineman but I don't think we need a LT....
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I'll be thinking of you and your words of wisdom when I watch Peyton Manning and Drew Brees in the Super Bowl on Sunday.
how many first round olinemen do those teams have, combined?
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Sacapoo doesn't understand that its takes time for most players to develop. Hes also going to be the first one on the Albert bandwagon next year when hes kicking ass.
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how many first round olinemen do those teams have, combined?
let alone top 5 lineman
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