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**Tribal Warfare** · 04-25-2010, 12:13 AM

I've heard from several sources that there was a heated debate within the Chiefs when the #36 pick came up. Weis was adamant that Classen was the pick. Pioli and Haley still believe that Cassell can be the QB that we need and we can pass on Claussen at that pick. This was Pioli's decision. Pioli's top priorites were playmakers and to add team speed.

The Chiefs were told that Philly was going to pick McCkuster so they pulled the trigger at 2a. The plan was to drat him at 2B.

Many rumors that this is Haley's last year unless there is major improvement not just in the Cheifs record but the locker room and team chemistry. I guess there were a lot of locker room issues last season and that is also what is driving Pioli with the high charector players. Sorry, but I don't know the details, all I know is that there were many issues in the locker room and with team chemistry.

tk13 · 04-25-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

To be fair it still could be BS and misinformation being "leaked" to benefit a team one way or the other. It seems to me that more and more that NFL teams feel they have the freedom to lie and plant false stories in the media and leak to bloggers to benefit their own aims.

I agree, but in this particular instance... we weren't going to draft the guy the Eagles picked, so there was no reason to lead us to McCluster.

**The Franchise** · 04-25-2010, 12:27 PM

The thing that bothers me the most is that the Chiefs were in the perfect situation. The Chiefs could have drafted Clausen at #36 and it would have been the perfect situation for everyone.

1. The Chiefs get a QBoTF if Cassel doesn't pan out.

2. Clausen would come cheap as shit and he'd have a chip on his shoulder.

3. IF Cassel does pan out....then Clausen can sit and be an awesome backup for a couple of years. Look at the McNab/Kolb situation. That would have been us.

But now if Cassel sucks...we're back to square one. If Cassel is good....then we're going to be going QB sometime soon because Cassel isn't ****ing young.

milkman · 04-25-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny961

I guess I didn't make my point exactly clear here. Do I think we overpaid for an average QB? Absolutely. Would a pro bowl level QB with a cannon arm and pinpoint accuracy, along with flawless decision making be helpful? Without a doubt. But, the Cassel deal is a done deal, like it or not, and what he does bring to the table is a servicable package although there is a high probability that he'll never see a pro bowl or the hall of fame. And, right now IMHO, we have bigger fish to fry as far as needs are concerned, and you don't waste draft picks and/or big FA money on one position such as QB when you have other glaring areas that suck worse than the QB right now. Like run defense/pass rush and pass protection/blocking. Maybe a receiver that can consistently catch the damn ball. Thats the point I was trying to make was that I think we have bigger areas of need right now before an upgrade at QB becomes feasible. Take care of the things that are killing you the worst before looking at luxury upgrades that you can do without for now. You gotta see the big picture here, and right now there are things this team as a whole needs a hell of alot worse than a QB. Which is why I think we passed on Clausen or any other QB out there for that matter. Just my .02.

Since this drfat didn't have a QB that I really cared to take, I have no prblem with passing on QB.

But QB is a luxury?

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

The thing that bothers me the most is that the Chiefs were in the perfect situation. The Chiefs could have drafted Clausen at #36 and it would have been the perfect situation for everyone.

1. The Chiefs get a QBoTF if Cassel doesn't pan out.

2. Clausen would come cheap as shit and he'd have a chip on his shoulder.

3. IF Cassel does pan out....then Clausen can sit and be an awesome backup for a couple of years. Look at the McNab/Kolb situation. That would have been us.

But now if Cassel sucks...we're back to square one. If Cassel is good....then we're going to be going QB sometime soon because Cassel isn't ****ing young.

The inverse is also true: If Cassel doesn't work out, the next QB walks into a situation with a young but veteran offensive line along with at least two dynamic offensive players in Charles and McCluster (not to mention Bowe).

Pioli is just taking a different route than what some people expected (playmakers vs. NT & ILB, etc.).

KCDC · 04-25-2010, 12:32 PM

It well could be that Weiss wanted Clausen but that Pioli asked him whether Clausen would be exponentially better than Cassel. Because, bringing in Clausen would be disruptive, leaving us in a position like when Quinn and Anderson were in Cleveland. We didn't need to burn #36 for a QB who was a modest upgrade over Cassel. I have to believe if Clausen was night and day better, Pioli might have used #36 to take him.

There are 3-4 good QBs avalable next year. Most teams have solved their QB problems. Oakland has Campbell. Cleveland got McCoy. Panthers got Clausen. Rams have Bradford. So, that leaves the Bills (unless Broehm or Edwards has a good year), the Redskins, and the Vikings needing QBs next year. The Vikes will pick behind us, so we could get one of the top 3 easily enough. There is no certainty that the Skins or Bills will want to use their #1 for a QB anyway.

So, we get another year to see if Cassel rises to the occasion. If not, we are in excellent position to take a potential QBOTF next season, even though we might win enough games that we only have the 16th pick.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-25-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

The thing that bothers me the most is that the Chiefs were in the perfect situation. The Chiefs could have drafted Clausen at #36 and it would have been the perfect situation for everyone.

1. The Chiefs get a QBoTF if Cassel doesn't pan out.

2. Clausen would come cheap as shit and he'd have a chip on his shoulder.

3. IF Cassel does pan out....then Clausen can sit and be an awesome backup for a couple of years. Look at the McNab/Kolb situation. That would have been us.

But now if Cassel sucks...we're back to square one. If Cassel is good....then we're going to be going QB sometime soon because Cassel isn't ****ing young.

I agree to a point.

But it worries me that a supposedly franchise QB was passed on 49 times. There has to be something to it. I was as high on Clausen as anyone, but something tells me there's more than just character concerns here.

CoMoChief · 04-25-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Do you know why Weis had no desire to be with Clausen? I find that pretty shocking.

yeah no shit. considering it was CW that recruiting the mother****er to ND.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-25-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Cassel is what he is.

You are right. Cassel isn't a 'great' QB. He probably never will be a 'great' QB. He is what he is. He is a hard worker. He is a great leader. He will be a good game manager.

So, when the Chiefs have the opportunity to grab one of the great ones.... they need to do it. It isn't someone like Clausen who has entitlement issues and a slightly better than average arm. This isn't Matthew Stafford here.

Now, I will say that I don't think that the Chiefs will have a chance to draft a QB in the top ten again for a while. On paper, they look like an 8-8 club. So, that puts them middle of the pack. That probably means that they won't draft a franchise QB unless they luck into one.

All that said, it is still better than wasting a pick on Clausen. He may be a great QB someday, but just coming to the Chiefs wouldn't have helped him. #1) He has had Weis for the last three years. He would have felt even more entitled than he already does. He needed to have the wake up call of not being drafted by Weis. He needed to have the wake up call that the immaturity that he has shown is not acceptable.

I still think the Panthers won't see much out of him.... but at least they got him in the best possible scenario.

**DeezNutz** · 04-25-2010, 12:36 PM

Cassel is NOT a great leader. We hope this improves. And we hope that he'll be a good game manager.

Right now, what "he is" is a piece of shit. 44/46.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-25-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

The thing that bothers me the most is that the Chiefs were in the perfect situation. The Chiefs could have drafted Clausen at #36 and it would have been the perfect situation for everyone.

1. The Chiefs get a QBoTF if Cassel doesn't pan out.

2. Clausen would come cheap as shit and he'd have a chip on his shoulder.

3. IF Cassel does pan out....then Clausen can sit and be an awesome backup for a couple of years. Look at the McNab/Kolb situation. That would have been us.

But now if Cassel sucks...we're back to square one. If Cassel is good....then we're going to be going QB sometime soon because Cassel isn't ****ing young.

Clausen would be drafted by his old head coach which would have excused him immaturity and perpetuated bad behavior.

Cassel isn't old. He has 9 years or so left in the league. Second round draft picks sign three years deals. He would be long gone by then.

Clausen wouldn't do well as a backup. He would undermine Cassel. It is one thing to compete for a starting spot, it is another thing to pout when it doesn't happen.

Clausen is a tool. He has always been a tool, and the one good thing that happened is that his former head coach didn't want him on this team. That may wake him up and help him to realize that the world doesn't revolve around him.

DBOSHO · 04-25-2010, 12:40 PM

Lol cassel is the man.

**DeezNutz** · 04-25-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Clausen would be drafted by his old head coach which would have excused him immaturity and perpetuated bad behavior.

Cassel isn't old. He has 9 years or so left in the league. Second round draft picks sign three years deals. He would be long gone by then.

Clausen wouldn't do well as a backup. He would undermine Cassel. It is one thing to compete for a starting spot, it is another thing to pout when it doesn't happen.

Clausen is a tool. He has always been a tool, and the one good thing that happened is that his former head coach didn't want him on this team. That may wake him up and help him to realize that the world doesn't revolve around him.

1. You think it's safe to say that Cassel will play until he's 37? We're not talking about an elite athlete; we're talking about a JAG.

2. Guess work.

3. Ok. Umm...

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-25-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Cassel is NOT a great leader. We hope this improves. And we hope that he'll be a good game manager.

Right now, what "he is" is a piece of shit. 44/46.

Sorry, but you are wrong. He is a good leader. He is a very good leader, and he leads by example, not just words.

Again, if they have the opportunity to draft a top notch QB, they have my blessings. Drafting a QB with only marginally better talent that is also a headcase and has a nagging toe injury.... just doesn't make much sense to me.

Why reach for a QB in a weak class? Seriously. Take a QB when he is going to be much better than what you have, not just marginally better.

**DeezNutz** · 04-25-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Sorry, but you are wrong. He is a good leader. He is a very good leader, and he leads by example, not just words.

All evidence that we have is that he was a complete ****ing joke:

1. Pushing players.
2. Being demonstrative after others' errors
3. Saying that he graded perfectly after embarrassingly poor performances.

Just because you want him to be a leader, doesn't mean that he is. In all areas, he's a worthless sack of shit.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-25-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

1. You think it's safe to say that Cassel will play until he's 37? We're not talking about an elite athlete; we're talking about a JAG.

2. Guess work.

3. Ok. Umm...

1) Fine, then seven more years. Clausen is still gone. But, yeah, I think he will play until he is 37 if he pans out. Why? He missed many years of playing. He has very little wear and tear on his body. (well, until last year) and he won't be bored with it.

2) Says you. He is an entitled prick who is lucky that he is going to a brand new coaching staff.

The love of Clausen is mind boggling even after he has dropped to the middle of the second round.... where, we all know that 'franchise' QB's aren't drafted.

Heck, the team that drafted him didn't even have him in for a private visit..... they didn't know him well enough to realize he is an entitled prick apparently.

It is the best spot for him. He could be successful, but the Clausen love? Unbelievable.

04-25-2010, 12:13 AM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2977187	From the friend of our's E-mail I've heard from several sources that there was a heated debate within the Chiefs when the #36 pick came up. Weis was adamant that Classen was the pick. Pioli and Haley still believe that Cassell can be the QB that we need and we can pass on Claussen at that pick. This was Pioli's decision. Pioli's top priorites were playmakers and to add team speed. The Chiefs were told that Philly was going to pick McCkuster so they pulled the trigger at 2a. The plan was to drat him at 2B. Many rumors that this is Haley's last year unless there is major improvement not just in the Cheifs record but the locker room and team chemistry. I guess there were a lot of locker room issues last season and that is also what is driving Pioli with the high charector players. Sorry, but I don't know the details, all I know is that there were many issues in the locker room and with team chemistry.
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04-25-2010, 12:27 PM	#92
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	The thing that bothers me the most is that the Chiefs were in the perfect situation. The Chiefs could have drafted Clausen at #36 and it would have been the perfect situation for everyone. 1. The Chiefs get a QBoTF if Cassel doesn't pan out. 2. Clausen would come cheap as shit and he'd have a chip on his shoulder. 3. IF Cassel does pan out....then Clausen can sit and be an awesome backup for a couple of years. Look at the McNab/Kolb situation. That would have been us. But now if Cassel sucks...we're back to square one. If Cassel is good....then we're going to be going QB sometime soon because Cassel isn't ****ing young.
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04-25-2010, 12:32 PM	#95
KCDC Starter Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $9616110	It well could be that Weiss wanted Clausen but that Pioli asked him whether Clausen would be exponentially better than Cassel. Because, bringing in Clausen would be disruptive, leaving us in a position like when Quinn and Anderson were in Cleveland. We didn't need to burn #36 for a QB who was a modest upgrade over Cassel. I have to believe if Clausen was night and day better, Pioli might have used #36 to take him. There are 3-4 good QBs avalable next year. Most teams have solved their QB problems. Oakland has Campbell. Cleveland got McCoy. Panthers got Clausen. Rams have Bradford. So, that leaves the Bills (unless Broehm or Edwards has a good year), the Redskins, and the Vikings needing QBs next year. The Vikes will pick behind us, so we could get one of the top 3 easily enough. There is no certainty that the Skins or Bills will want to use their #1 for a QB anyway. So, we get another year to see if Cassel rises to the occasion. If not, we are in excellent position to take a potential QBOTF next season, even though we might win enough games that we only have the 16th pick.
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04-25-2010, 12:40 PM	#101
DBOSHO trap champ Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	Lol cassel is the man. __________________ Orginator of the group repost
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