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Mr. Laz · 02-13-2011, 09:16 PM

Updated: February 13, 2011, 10:01 PM ET
Sources: Sides could talk this week

By Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter
ESPN.com

When is a proposal not a proposal? When the NFL and the NFL Players Association are involved.

According to sources familiar with the talks, last week's negotiations between the NFLPA and the NFL broke off when the union characterized their documents as an "illustration" that NFL officials believed represented a proposal for revenue sharing between owners and players.

When the NFLPA characterized documents labeled "NFLPA Proposal" as something other than a collective bargaining proposal, the NFL ended the session, a source familiar with the talks said. League representatives then met outside the room, and returned only to abort the negotiations -- without immediately rescheduling any talks, the source added.
"As often happens in collective bargaining, the parties reached a point where there was a fundamental difference on a critical issue that was not going to be reconciled that day," said NFL spokesman Greg Aiello. "The discussions were adjourned to permit both parties to assess their positions and consider how to move the process forward. Far from abandoning the process, in the first four days after the Super Bowl, we have had two meetings of our labor executive committee and negotiating team, a conference call with all 32 clubs, and a meeting with the union."
The day after negotiations broke down, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell convened a conference call with the owners of the 32 NFL teams and reported the developments of the previous day. A person familiar with that call said there was complete unanimity among the owners.
Despite the aborted Wednesday session, dialogue has continued between the two sides through smaller working groups as well as communication between Goodell and NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith. One player source said it is expected both sides will meet this week, as previously scheduled, and a management source did not refute that suggestion.
But there is a growing discord and mistrust between the two sides. Management was irritated by Smith's decision to release the owners' counter-proposal on a rookie wage scale to players and player agents, as opposed to offering a response directly to management. Even the choice of descriptive words were a source of irritation.
Whereas Smith noted that renegotiations or extensions of rookie contracts were "banned" until after the third year, a management official said the proposal "allows" for those renegotiations or extensions after the third year. Regardless, the intent and meaning are the same.
One person connected to the NFLPA said NFL owners were continuing to be "unreasonable," which accounted for the disintegration of last week's meeting.
Now, there are knowledgeable sources that previously were optimistic that CBA negotiations would not result in any lost games next year that are growing increasingly pessimistic. One source said last week's flare up was symbolic and illuminated the schism between the two sides. Now, there is a general feeling that some or all of the 2011 season may be at risk, though there is plenty of time for the two sides to continue talking and trying to bridge their vast differences.
Chris Mortensen is ESPN's senior NFL analyst. Adam Schefter is ESPN.com's NFL Insider.

**RNR** · 02-14-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

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I thought this was funny. I'm guessing that the next words out of Jerry Richardson's mouth were, "They call roughing the passer if anyone gets within ten yards of you."

On another note, I'm surprised that Brees and Manning are at the negotiating table. I figured they'd have lawyers and agents there and no one else.

Panthers owner mocks Manning, Brees

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08:05 AM ET 02.14 | Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson may not be invited to dinner any time soon with two of the NFL's top quarterbacks. Richardson mocked quarterbacks Peyton Manning and Drew Brees during a Feb. 5 negotiating session with the NFL Players Association, says three league sources, a sign of disrespect that the union hopes solidifies its members in the pending labor battle with the NFL. "[Richardson] was extremely condescending to them, especially toward Peyton," a source said. ... Apparently, Richardson was particularly sarcastic when Manning started to talk about players' safety. At one point, Richardson evidently said, "What do you know about player safety?"

To which Manning should have replied "much more than you know about running a football team"

**Rausch** · 02-14-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Secondly, this viewpoint that "they play a game" keeps getting brought up.

What officer of the law, military man, or fireman doesn't?

They're all risky professions. You could get hurt, crippled, or killed at any time.

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Originally Posted by Brock

Yes, they "play a game", a dangerous game, a game that takes a significant number of years off their lives, and significantly affects the quality of those years they have left. They trade those years for money, and I don't understand why people think they should just take whatever line of bullshit the owners throw at them.

Agreed.

I agree with the percieved "60%" and would back 75% going towards the players if it included health care and retirement.

**Rausch** · 02-14-2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

That rookie pay scale for 1st round picks is a tool to drive up player salaries.

The end...

FAX · 02-14-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

To which Manning should have replied "much more than you know about running a football team"

Actually, Manning said, "Hey Jerry, my ass itches a little. Scratch it with a roll of 500s, will you? Just above and to the right of the anus. Thanks."

FAX

vailpass · 02-14-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

The end...

Isn't that is more reason for the owners to correct the problem, not less?

philfree · 02-14-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...nnbin&hpt=Sbin

I thought this was funny. I'm guessing that the next words out of Jerry Richardson's mouth were, "They call roughing the passer if anyone gets within ten yards of you."

On another note, I'm surprised that Brees and Manning are at the negotiating table. I figured they'd have lawyers and agents there and no one else.

Panthers owner mocks Manning, Brees

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08:05 AM ET 02.14 | Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson may not be invited to dinner any time soon with two of the NFL's top quarterbacks. Richardson mocked quarterbacks Peyton Manning and Drew Brees during a Feb. 5 negotiating session with the NFL Players Association, says three league sources, a sign of disrespect that the union hopes solidifies its members in the pending labor battle with the NFL. "[Richardson] was extremely condescending to them, especially toward Peyton," a source said. ... Apparently, Richardson was particularly sarcastic when Manning started to talk about players' safety. At one point, Richardson evidently said, "What do you know about player safety?"

Two of the most popular players in the game get insulted in negotiations and then it's reported to fans? Seems like an easy way to make the owners look like the bad guys. I bet we hear BS like this from both sides till this is resolved.

PhilFree

**Rausch** · 02-14-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Isn't that is more reason for the owners to correct the problem, not less?

I..........not much wants mor to have pump?

FAX · 02-14-2011, 01:19 PM

That aspect of the rookie salaries was lost on me, apparently. You guys are far wiser than I. My view was overly simplistic like unto a basic bra whereas your opinions are like unto the lacy push-up with nipple reveal.

Still, I have to wonder how the veterans feel about a kid coming out as a Junior getting paid more in a year than they've made throughout their entire career. That's gotta sting a little.

FAX

**Dave Lane** · 02-14-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

The average NFL salary is 900,000 dollars. It isn't an exorbitant salary unless you're talking about top tier QBs. Secondly, this viewpoint that "they play a game" keeps getting brought up. Yes, they "play a game", a dangerous game, a game that takes a significant number of years off their lives, and significantly affects the quality of those years they have left. They trade those years for money, and I don't understand why people think they should just take whatever line of bullshit the owners throw at them.

I've never understood they get paid to play a game crap either. Eminem gets paid 10's of millions a year to sing, and he really hasn't in like 5 years. He never took an NFL hit in his life. He too is the product and gets maybe even 100's of millions a year yet no one is bitching about that.

Brock · 02-14-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

What officer of the law, military man, or fireman doesn't?

They're all risky professions. You could get hurt, crippled, or killed at any time.
.

The law, the military, the fire dept., are not profit operations.

vailpass · 02-14-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I..........not much wants mor to have pump?

Sorry man, I'm a little slow today. What?

FAX · 02-14-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I've never understood they get paid to play a game crap either. Eminem gets paid 10's of millions a year to sing, and he really hasn't in like 5 years. He never took an NFL hit in his life. He too is the product and gets maybe even 100's of millions a year yet no one is bitching about that.

I am.

FAX

**Rausch** · 02-14-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Still, I have to wonder how the veterans feel about a kid coming out as a Junior getting paid more in a year than they've made throughout their entire career. That's gotta sting a little.

FAX

AND SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

Now we're all back to front and center with the easy-to-remove-between-breast or-shoulder-blade-braw argument...

**Dave Lane** · 02-14-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

That aspect of the rookie salaries was lost on me, apparently. You guys are far wiser than I. My view was overly simplistic like unto a basic bra whereas your opinions are like unto the lacy push-up with nipple reveal.

Still, I have to wonder how the veterans feel about a kid coming out as a Junior getting paid more in a year than they've made throughout their entire career. That's gotta sting a little.

FAX

This is the one area I agree with the owners strongly. The rook salary caps needs to be slotted or severely adjusted down till they prove something. BUT the 3 years you can't renegotiate your contract is crap unless the owners take the first 3 years of your contract is guaranteed stance to go with it.

FAX · 02-14-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

This is the one area I agree with the owners strongly. The rook salary caps needs to be slotted or severely adjusted down till they prove something. BUT the 3 years you can't renegotiate your contract is crap unless the owners take the first 3 years of your contract is guaranteed stance to go with it.

There is insufficient time for me to dive into contract structures. I am easily dumbfounded, but honestly, I'm amazed that the owners/GMs/agents/players have allowed these contracts to evolve into the shell game they have become.

I think that one of the reasons he hasn't yet signed is because Hali is still looking for the pea.

FAX

02-13-2011, 09:16 PM
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