Chiefs How do you feel now about Sanchez and Freeman at QB? - Page 7

Deberg_1990 · 10-04-2011, 07:29 AM

Suppose the Chiefs would have drafted either of these guys instead of aquiring Cassel. Would they have a better record right now? Are Sanchez or Freeman truly the type of "transcendent" QB talent to will a team to victory? They are probably better than Cassel, but "how much" better?

jd1020 · 10-04-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Brasky

I got blasted on this board for suggesting freeman was a good quarterback. Funny how times change.

He's still yet to prove hes anything more than decent.

Brock · 10-04-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

This isn't about Cassel. Cassel sucks. Everyone knows that. Sanchez sucks also.

Well, I was drawing the comparison between how they performed in the playoffs, so yeah, some of my posts WERE about Cassel.

**Dave Lane** · 10-04-2011, 01:25 PM

Sanchez = Cassel

Quesadilla Joe · 10-04-2011, 01:29 PM

I wouldn't want either of them for the long haul. Freeman can be a very good QB, in the top 10 even, but I want a top 3-5 QB.

jd1020 · 10-04-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I wouldn't want either of them for the long haul. Freeman can be a very good QB, in the top 10 even, but I want a top 3-5 QB.

Freeman is close to being #10 but even at 10 there's such a huge drop off from #9-10 its not even worth getting excited about.

Its like:

Brady
Rodgers
P. Manning
Brees
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Vick
E. Manning
Ryan

...
...
...
...
...

#10.

-King- · 10-04-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

He's still yet to prove hes anything more than decent.

If he's just decent, then what's Sanchez?

jd1020 · 10-04-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

If he's just decent, then what's Sanchez?

Why do you keep bringing up Sanchez as if you are trying to prove something? He's slightly better than Cassel which is still bad. I've never said he was good, dumbass.

Quesadilla Joe · 10-04-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Freeman is close to being #10 but even at 10 there's such a huge drop off from #9-10 its not even worth getting excited about.

Its like:

Brady
Rodgers
P. Manning
Brees
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Vick
E. Manning
Ryan

...
...
...
...
...

#10.

Even with that list I wouldn't want Vick, E. Manning, or Matt Ryan for the long haul. I mean I would take them over what Denver has but I don't see multiple Super Bowl's coming to any of those guys.

-King- · 10-04-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Why do you keep bringing up Sanchez as if you are trying to prove something? He's slightly better than Cassel which is still bad. I've never said he was good, dumbass.

Um...because the title of the thread is "How do you feel now about Sanchez and Freeman at QB".

jd1020 · 10-04-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Um...because the title of the thread is "How do you feel now about Sanchez and Freeman at QB".

I've already made it known how I feel about both of them multiple times in this thread so why are you asking that question?

ChiefsCountry · 10-04-2011, 01:50 PM

Here is the common opponents between Sanchez and Cassel last year and how they played.

Cassel
Baltimore
9/18
70
0 TDs
3 Ints
20.4

Buffalo
14/26
152
1 TDs
0 Int
84.1

Cleveland
16/28
176
0 TDs
2 Ints
46.1

Denver
25/42
333
3
0
108.5
(Average of two Denver games with QB rating based on those averages)

Houston
20/29
201
3 TDs
0 Ints
122.9

Indianapolis
16/29
156
0 TDs
0 Ints
70.5

Sanchez
Baltimore
10/24
74
0 TD
0 Int
56.4

Buffalo
14/24
161
2 TDs
0 Ints
106.4
(There was two Buffalo games but the last one, didn't attempt a pass and just handed the ball off)

Cleveland
27/44
299
2 TDs
1 Int
87.2

Denver
17/30
198
1 TD
2 Ints
60.2

Houston
22/38
315
3 TDs
1 Int
100.2

Indianapolis
18/31
189
0 TD
1 Int
62.4

Cassel's Numbers - 100/172 1088 yards 7 TDs 5 Ints
QB Rating - 78.343

Sanchez Numbers - 108/191 1236 yards 8 TDs 5 Ints
QB Rating - 79.221

The big difference between the 2 - playing the NFC West vs NFC North.

Cassel's numbers against the NFC West
68/112 860 yards 10 TD 2 Int
106.9 QB rating

Sanchez's numbers against the NFC North
83/158 1052 yards 1 TD 2 Int
70.438 passer rating

ChiefsCountry · 10-04-2011, 02:01 PM

Throw out the NFC Stats from last year:

Cassel
194/388 2256 yards 17 tds 5 ints
6-6 as a starter
77.212 qb rating

Sanchez
195/349 2239 yards 15 tds 11 ints
8-3 as a starter
74.6 QB Rating

patteeu · 10-04-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Scintillating argument.

It's a perfect reflection of yours, except that it's right.

Brock · 10-04-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

It's a perfect reflection of yours, except that it's right.

The numbers don't support what you're saying. He had 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives in the playoffs.

**notorious** · 10-04-2011, 03:17 PM

I was completely wrong about Freeman. They guy is smooth as butter and looks as natural as a QB can in the pocket.

10-04-2011, 07:29 AM
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10-04-2011, 01:29 PM	#94
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	I wouldn't want either of them for the long haul. Freeman can be a very good QB, in the top 10 even, but I want a top 3-5 QB. __________________ “(Sean) Payton feels as strongly about Bo Nix as he did Mahomes.“ - Adam Schefter
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10-04-2011, 01:50 PM	#101
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1361248	Here is the common opponents between Sanchez and Cassel last year and how they played. Cassel Baltimore 9/18 70 0 TDs 3 Ints 20.4 Buffalo 14/26 152 1 TDs 0 Int 84.1 Cleveland 16/28 176 0 TDs 2 Ints 46.1 Denver 25/42 333 3 0 108.5 (Average of two Denver games with QB rating based on those averages) Houston 20/29 201 3 TDs 0 Ints 122.9 Indianapolis 16/29 156 0 TDs 0 Ints 70.5 Sanchez Baltimore 10/24 74 0 TD 0 Int 56.4 Buffalo 14/24 161 2 TDs 0 Ints 106.4 (There was two Buffalo games but the last one, didn't attempt a pass and just handed the ball off) Cleveland 27/44 299 2 TDs 1 Int 87.2 Denver 17/30 198 1 TD 2 Ints 60.2 Houston 22/38 315 3 TDs 1 Int 100.2 Indianapolis 18/31 189 0 TD 1 Int 62.4 Cassel's Numbers - 100/172 1088 yards 7 TDs 5 Ints QB Rating - 78.343 Sanchez Numbers - 108/191 1236 yards 8 TDs 5 Ints QB Rating - 79.221 The big difference between the 2 - playing the NFC West vs NFC North. Cassel's numbers against the NFC West 68/112 860 yards 10 TD 2 Int 106.9 QB rating Sanchez's numbers against the NFC North 83/158 1052 yards 1 TD 2 Int 70.438 passer rating
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10-04-2011, 02:01 PM	#102
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1361248	Throw out the NFC Stats from last year: Cassel 194/388 2256 yards 17 tds 5 ints 6-6 as a starter 77.212 qb rating Sanchez 195/349 2239 yards 15 tds 11 ints 8-3 as a starter 74.6 QB Rating
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10-04-2011, 03:17 PM	#105
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $-744116	I was completely wrong about Freeman. They guy is smooth as butter and looks as natural as a QB can in the pocket.
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