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Old 12-19-2011, 10:54 AM  
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The playcalling difference...
The difference in playcalling yesterday compared to the entire season if not the last 3 seasons was just ****ing mind bottling! Not 1,2,3, but 4 screens in one game? TE's being hit over the middle for more than 3 yards? No Dex up the middle for -2?

Ok, so, was this really because of Orton who had practiced really all of one week? Or was this because Haley was not there to chain down Muir on the playcalling?

Don't get me wrong, I am not here to sell Muir as a good OC. But JFC...we were a totally different team all the way around? How does this happen in less than a week? How does a team that couldn't get a first down to save their life suddenly go to punting onl twice the entire game with 0 turnovers and 0 sacks?

Obviously Orton brings a lot to that situation but it was the non-passing plays that stuck out the most. Particularly the lack of running Mighty Mouse 1.5 up the middle constantly for not.

I think Haley was a damper on this offense. When Muir and Zorn can take the same roster of backups and retirees with a QB that has been practing for all of a few days and turnout the performance we saw against The Pack then yu have to say that either Orton was football God's gift to the Chiefs or Muir and Zorn were finally able to call an offense that would actually produce.
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:11 PM   #91
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That has less to do with playcalling than with Orton actually progressing through reads. Cassel wouldn't spread the ball around because he'd look to his first receiver and if he was covered he'd shit his pants.
This is right to a degree. No 100% mind you...
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A lot of what we did yesterday was due to having a QB. Having said that the playcalling was still a lot different, imo. The absence of the Dex for -2 up the gut at least once a series stands out the most.
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:14 PM   #94
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So you're saying the offense wasn't a wee bit different yesterday? Running reverses, multiple screens, McClain up the gut, McDuster to the outside? To say that there wasn't at least some tiny change in philosophy is obtuse...
They've run ALL of those plays at one point or another during this season. The difference is that they didn't work...
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They've run ALL of those plays at one point or another during this season. The difference is that they didn't work...
I'll agree, but part of it was also allowing the right personell to participate in said plays. We've run a reverse with Breaston this year? I'll bet money we ran McClain up the middle more yesterday that we have all year combined, and the same could be said with running McCluster to the outside...
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It seems we've come to a chicken or the egg style debate here...

Could we not say that the QB and the play calling are co-evolutionary forces, each playing off one another, the confluence of the two resulting in the postive outcome we're debating today?
I was thinking the EXACT same thing.
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A lot of what we did yesterday was due to having a QB. Having said that the playcalling was still a lot different, imo. The absence of the Dex for -2 up the gut at least once a series stands out the most.
Our last drive of the 1st half started with a draw to McCluster for 1 yard.
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Our last drive of the 1st half started with a draw to McCluster for 1 yard.
A draw is not the power slam we have been trying with him all season. I am not talking about a draw. Get rid of the draw for this discussion. He is designed to run the draw. He is not designed to power it up the middle like we have seen them attempt to do time and time and time again, except yesterday.
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:19 PM   #101
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The game plan, for the past 2.5 years, has been built around Matt Cassel.

There is absolutely no way you can look at this game objectively and not understand that the change at QB makes EVERYTHING else possible.


That statement is devoid of logic and is utter nonsense. A 'game plan' is the plan put together for a particular game. If the offense had been "built around Matt Cassel" one might expect that it would include a heavy dose of plays he can execute. The offense for the last 2.5 years has not been built around Matt Cassel, it's been the offense Haley has wanted to run without a quarterback capable of running it. Same for the running game based on pounding Jones up the middle with an undersized line that is more suited to lateral movement. That's the same reason Palko's mobility wasn't used and Haley tried to shoehorn him into the role of pocket passer.

Had Haley still been in at HC the Chiefs starting Palko, he would have run the same look and the same pattern: Jones in between the tackles on first down. Battle between the tackles or McCluster a draw on second down. A short pass to Bowe or Breston for 7 yards followed by a punt. If a screen or pass worked, there would be no follow up, just Jones in between the tackles on first down.

Also, can anyone explain how the improvement in the running game during the first half is a direct result of the change at QB.
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I'll agree, but part of it was also allowing the right personell to participate in said plays. We've run a reverse with Breaston this year? I'll bet money we ran McClain up the middle more yesterday that we have all year combined, and the same could be said with running McCluster to the outside...
McCluster had 1 carry below his season average yesterday. And average 1.5 full yard below his season average.

The offense was crisp yesterday and people have been fooled into seeing something that didn't happen - McCluster looked EXACTLY like he has all season.
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Also, can anyone explain how the improvement in the running game during the first half is a direct result of the change at QB.
The defense has to respect the passing game for the first time in forever. Mike McCarthy even said so.
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A draw is not the power slam we have been trying with him all season. I am not talking about a draw. Get rid of the draw for this discussion. He is designed to run the draw. He is not designed to power it up the middle like we have seen them attempt to do time and time and time again, except yesterday.
A delayed handoff with fake is a draw.
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McCluster had 1 carry below his season average yesterday. And average 1.5 full yard below his season average.

The offense was crisp yesterday and people have been fooled into seeing something that didn't happen - McCluster looked EXACTLY like he has all season.
I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying they ran him outside more than they have all year. That's all I'm saying. I'm not talking about his stats, becasue while you may have pointed out he played no differently, and maybe worse than his averages, he was effective as a greater part of a more effective offense. His individual play wasn't any better, but his role was better, his useage was timed better...
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