Chiefs what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? - Page 7

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 08:30 AM

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-20-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You have to worry about Orton/Cassel NOW.

Because if they're going with Cassel, there is no QBotF in April. I still firmly believe that Pioli thinks CASSEL is the future.

With Orton, it's a pretty obvious stop-gap move.

To you it's an obvious stopgap move. To fans, and perhaps to Pioli, it's a diamond in the rough.

King_Chief_Fan · 12-20-2011, 11:16 AM

Orton did a good job Sunday. However, the Chiefs have the same problem they have had all year...can't score within the red zone. It is the same problem Orton had in Denver.

Maybe it is the play calling but I am not sold on him being the guy except for the time it takes to bring the QBOTF (if we get one) to be brought up to speed. He is indeed a better QB than Cassel has demonstrated.

Hammock Parties · 12-20-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

A top 10 defense and a mediocre running game with a legitimate #1 receiver should be more than enough for any quality QB to make a run, not finish 8-8.

Well, his coach WAS Josh McDaniels.

**DaKCMan AP** · 12-20-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Orton was acquired off waivers, after the trade deadline.

The other required the trading of a 2nd round pick and a $67M contract.

The 2 QBs are definitely similar but their situations couldn't be more different.

Business 101: any compensation or money previously spent on Cassel is a sunk cost.

htismaqe · 12-20-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Business 101: any compensation or money previously spent on Cassel is a sunk cost.

You missed my point. The way in which the two were acquired is important because of how they might FEEL about the two. This isn't about business.

They gave Cassel the biggest contract in team history before he had ever played a snap for the Chiefs.

Pioli has a PERSONAL affinity for Cassel.

**DaKCMan AP** · 12-20-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You missed my point. The way in which the two were acquired is important because of how they might FEEL about the two. This isn't about business.

They gave Cassel the biggest contract in team history before he had ever played a snap for the Chiefs.

Pioli has a PERSONAL affinity for Cassel.

I'm hoping he had a personal affinity for Cassel.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-20-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Well, his coach WAS Josh McDaniels.

Norv Turner, Barry Switzer, Jim Caldwell, Herm Edwards.

htismaqe · 12-20-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I'm hoping he had a personal affinity for Cassel.

I thought about adding that caveat but figured it was just wishful thinking at this point...

**Lzen** · 12-20-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

Orton did a good job Sunday. However, the Chiefs have the same problem they have had all year...can't score within the red zone. It is the same problem Orton had in Denver.

Maybe it is the play calling but I am not sold on him being the guy except for the time it takes to bring the QBOTF (if we get one) to be brought up to speed. He is indeed a better QB than Cassel has demonstrated.

I am not ready to crown Orton as the QBOTF after just one game, but I don't think you can blame him for the red zone issues against GB. On the first, he threw the out pattern in a perfect spot, IMO to the receiver (McClain?). On the second one where they came away with no points, I would blame the play calling and/or execution of the blockers. Keep in mind that one was all running.

Hammock Parties · 12-20-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Norv Turner, Barry Switzer, Jim Caldwell, Herm Edwards.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-20-2011, 11:49 AM

Duck and cover, Miles, you dumb sonofabitch.

Chiefnj2 · 12-20-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Pioli has a PERSONAL affinity for Cassel.

Both McDaniels and Pioli felt Cassel was a franchise. Nobody has any idea if they still feel that way.

People keep talking about Pioli being too stubborn to move on from players, but where is the proof? He's parted ways pretty quickly with early draft picks like Magee. He hasn't forced coaches to keep free agent acquisitions that they didn't want - he must have brought in at least 8 WRs in 3 years.

Okie_Apparition · 12-20-2011, 11:59 AM

I expect a DurangoOrtonStalker to show up any day now

chiefscafan · 12-20-2011, 12:15 PM

Not to repeat what others have said but plunket, Gannon, even the great Len Dawson weren't great at their first stop. Sometimes there are factors such as people around them or the opportunity.

How do we know Orton wasn't just looking for an opportunity with a team with pieces around him.

Not comparing him to these QBs but you never know sometimes it takes people longer for it all to click maybe this is the case.

**DaKCMan AP** · 12-20-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefscafan

Not to repeat what others have said but plunket, Gannon, even the great Len Dawson weren't great at their first stop. Sometimes there are factors such as people around them or the opportunity.

How do we know Orton wasn't just looking for an opportunity with a team with pieces around him.

Not comparing him to these QBs but you never know sometimes it takes people longer for it all to click maybe this is the case.

During Drew Brees' best season in San Diego he threw for 1200+ yards less than his worst season in New Orleans.

12-20-2011, 08:30 AM
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $4711637	what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me. I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid. I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton. I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!
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12-20-2011, 11:16 AM	#92
King_Chief_Fan Praise Him Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: none ya Casino cash: $4755486	Orton did a good job Sunday. However, the Chiefs have the same problem they have had all year...can't score within the red zone. It is the same problem Orton had in Denver. Maybe it is the play calling but I am not sold on him being the guy except for the time it takes to bring the QBOTF (if we get one) to be brought up to speed. He is indeed a better QB than Cassel has demonstrated.
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12-20-2011, 11:49 AM	#101
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12-20-2011, 12:15 PM	#104
chiefscafan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA Casino cash: $9688215	Not to repeat what others have said but plunket, Gannon, even the great Len Dawson weren't great at their first stop. Sometimes there are factors such as people around them or the opportunity. How do we know Orton wasn't just looking for an opportunity with a team with pieces around him. Not comparing him to these QBs but you never know sometimes it takes people longer for it all to click maybe this is the case.
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