**** Official 2012 Big 12 Football Thread ****

[Bambi]

2012 Big 12 Media Days:

The Big 12 officially welcomes its new members:

Current Standings:

                      Big 12	   Pct	    Streak	Overall	    Pct	  Streak

Baylor	                 0-0      .000	      -	            0-0	   .000      -

Iowa State	         0-0      .000	      -	            0-0	   .000      -

Kansas	                 0-0      .000	      -	            0-0	   .000      -

Kansas State	         0-0      .000	      -	            0-0	   .000      -

Oklahoma	         0-0      .000	      -	            0-0	   .000      -

Oklahoma State	         0-0      .000	      -	            0-0	   .000      -

TCU	                 0-0      .000	      -	            0-0	   .000      -

Texas	                 0-0      .000	      -	            0-0	   .000      -

Texas Tech		 0-0      .000	      -	            0-0	   .000      -

West Virginia	         0-0      .000	      -	            0-0	   .000      -

[KC native]

Originally Posted by RustShack

This is essentially the college version of the Chiefs, great defense and great running game this year with an abundance of weapons at WR. It all depends on the QB, and even Jantz is more talented than Cassel.

I have seen it mentioned that you do this every year for ISU. They'll be lucky to 6 games,

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by KC native

I have seen it mentioned that you do this every year for ISU. They'll be lucky to 6 games,

Yeah I've said it the last two years, and the team has been better every year under CPR. We can now compete with anyone we play, instead of just knowing we will get blown out by Oklahoma and Texas(among others) every year.

[Bambi]

Welcome to the show Dub V.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/487273...ack_to_school/

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

They will win 6 games.

I will take the under.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by RustShack

This is essentially the college version of the Chiefs, great defense and great running game this year with an abundance of weapons at WR. It all depends on the QB, and even Jantz is more talented than Cassel.

Was talking about how I thought the Chiefs had the worst D Line in football in another thread and am still waiting to be proven wrong.

Why does everyone think the Chiefs have a "great defense"? It's actually quite bad.

*sry not point to the Cyclones*

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Was talking about how I thought the Chiefs had the worst D Line in football in another thread and am still waiting to be proven wrong.

Why does everyone think the Chiefs have a "great defense"? It's actually quite bad.

*sry not point to the Cyclones*

Well our two DE's(Chiefs) were two of the best in the NFL in terms of stopping the run, and we drafted one of the most talented NT's in the league to fill the third spot. The DL's main job is to take up blockers for the LB's to make plays, and to stop the run. Poe is a huge upgrade from size and talent alone. His job is completely different than it was in college too, with size and speed alone he can take up two or three blockers on any given play allowing Dorsey or Jackson to only be single blocked a lot more often allowing our DL to also get to the QB more which is more of a luxery in our scheme. Poe can collapse the pocket, something we have seriously lacked.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I will take the under.

I hope you put everything you own on it, because you will lose.

[chiefsfan987]

OU sure looks like **** tonight so far.

[RustShack]

What we learned in the Big 12: Week 1
September, 2, 2012
SEP 2
10:00
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By David Ubben | ESPN.com
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After eight games on the Big 12's opening Saturday, this is what we know:

Oklahoma has a lot of work to do in convincing anyone it's the Big 12 favorite. You win in the Big 12 by scoring points, though the truly elite teams mix in a good dose of defense, too. Oklahoma had a tough time scoring in its 24-7 win over UTEP that featured a pair of late touchdowns. The Sooners were in limbo for much of the night, and when Landry Jones wasn't hurried by the pass rush, his receivers and backs were dropping balls. The defense was solid and pitched a shutout (with the aid of three missed field goals), but the league's top-ranked team had the worst debut of any team in the league, considering expectations.

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Geno Smith looked like the Big 12's best player on opening weekend.
West Virginia's going to be scary. The Mountaineers turned in the most impressive performance of anyone in the Big 12 so far this year, routing a decent Marshall team and doing anything it wanted offensively. WVU scored 69 points, and if it hadn't missed a first-quarter extra point, would have scored 70 in two consecutive games dating back to last year's bowl game. Geno Smith looked like the league's best player and Big 12 defenses are going to have tons of trouble covering WVU's deep stable of weapons. The latest on Saturday? Running back Shawne Alston (123 yards, 2 TDs) and receiver J.D. Woods (seven catches, 75 yards, TD).

Texas' defense still has a lot to prove. The Longhorns looked like they'd be in a league of their own defensively this season, but looked very average against a decent Wyoming offense. Still, it's Wyoming. The Cowboys racked up 345 yards and 17 points, including an embarrassing 82-yard touchdown pass on what should have been nothing more than a 10-yard gain. Last year, the Longhorns gave up just more than 300 yards and 22 points a game. It'll get tougher in league play, of course, but I'm betting the Horns will, too. I'm still a believer in this defense, but Saturday was an underwhelming debut for one of the league's most hyped units.

The league's quarterback questions are being answered. What wasn't underwhelming? Iowa State and Texas went back to the drawing board at QB this offseason, and both had solid debuts. Steele Jantz produced some fireworks, completing 32 of 45 attempts for 281 yards. That included a gorgeous 43-yard rainbow to Josh Lenz, and Jantz's only interception of the day was off a tipped ball. Texas' David Ash completed 20 of 27 passes to keep the chains moving and didn't have a turnover. If he does that all year, the Longhorns will be a major factor in the Big 12 race, if not the national title race. Oklahoma State's Wes Lunt? All he did was complete all 11 of his passes for 129 yards. Good days for the league's lesser-known QBs. The QBs as a whole in the Big 12 threw 16 touchdowns to just three interceptions, and all eight won their season openers. We'll see how Baylor's Nick Florence looks later today.

Iowa State must be taken seriously. Tulsa's a good team that will contend for the C-USA title. Iowa State struggled early on but completely dominated the second and third quarters to muscle up the Golden Hurricane on offense and lock down on defense. After two late first-quarter TDs, the Cyclones shut out a good Tulsa offense for the game's next 33 minutes. That led to a 31-16 lead and a big win. I do think the Big 12's depth will eventually swallow up the Cyclones and leave them a sub-.500 team, but they're not going to be an easy out. Play well, or they'll beat you. The way Oklahoma played on Saturday, Iowa State might have beat the Sooners on a neutral field by double digits.

[Saulbadguy]

I have no idea why ISU was a home dog. They are never as bad as anyone thinks. Of course they are as never as good as RustShack thinks they are either.

[RustShack]

You guys really blow what I say out of proportion. All I have ever said is they will be better this year than they were last year(each of the last few years), and they have been better for sure. Records don't always indicate it, but the product you see on the field has improved every single year under Paul Rhoads. Ask any and all Cyclones fans, CPR is the best thing to ever happen to the football program.

[RustShack]

Big 12 rankings: Iowa State stays No. 1
Posted by Berry Tramel on September 16, 2012M at 2:36 pm
Another week, another Big 12 football rankings. Remember, these rankings are based not on what teams have done in the past, or what teams are expected to do, but what they have done in this 2012 season.
1. Iowa State 3-0: Cyclones routed Western Illinois 37-3, but ISU deserved a breather, after two victories as underdogs, over Tulsa and Iowa.
2. Texas 3-0: Like it or not, the Longhorns — and quarterback David Ash — were impressive in a 66-31 rout at Mississippi. Any victory in an SEC stadium is solid, even if it is at an SEC rumdum like Ole Miss.
3. Kansas State 3-0: The Wildcats’ rout of Miami still holds traction, but KSU is going to have to prove itself away from Manhattan.
4. West Virginia 2-0: Same with the Mountaineers, who need to play a road game — James Madison at the Redskins’ stadium doesn’t count.
5. Texas Tech 3-0: Winning at Texas State matters. I don’t know for how much longer, but it matters.
6. TCU 2-0: Winning 20-6 at Kansas was a solid start to the Frogs’ Big 12 journey.
7. OU 2-0: OU and TCU are interchangeable. At Kansas, at Texas-El Paso, about the same.
8. Baylor 3-0: The Bears’ rout of SMU looks worse and worse. Baylor was pressed into the fourth quarter by I-AA Sam Houston State.
9. OSU 2-1: Routing overmatched teams at home don’t do much for your stock when you lose by 21 points at Arizona.
10. Kansas 1-2: Another home loss, this to TCU. The Jayhawks have lost at home to TCU and Rice. Drats. KU doesn’t host Baylor. Not too many teams ever have lost at home to TCU, Rice and Baylor; not even those schools who spent 70 years together in the Southwest Conference.

-For the record I have no idea who this guy is, and don't know/think hes a Cyclone fan.

[Saul Good]

Who is going to start the 2013 thread? This one was a gem, but it's time to move forward.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Who is going to start the 2013 thread? This one was a gem, but it's time to move forward.

I'll do it

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

I'll do it

Good idea. Your team won a Big 12 game not that long ago.