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Old 07-23-2013, 07:24 PM  
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Go on record: What will make the Reid regime a success?
So what will make you happy with the Reid hire?
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:26 PM   #91
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:28 PM   #92
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I'd argue that Frank Ganz was at least as bad as Crennel.
I admittedly can't speak to it.

I can see someone being as bad as Crennel. I cannot imagine anyone, in any scenario, being worse than that fat bastard.

The worst coach I ever witnessed before Crennel was Kotite and I think Kotite was a much better coach than Romeo.

That dude was catastrophically terrible.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:30 PM   #93
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:41 PM   #94
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Vermeil's a D. The rest are Fs. Clearly.

Isn't the whole point of bringing in Reid to change the fortunes of the franchise? You're suggesting giving him a pass for maintaining the status quo.
How is winning a playoff game considered Status Quo?
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:45 PM   #95
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Who gives a rat's ass what previous teams have done?

This is about expectations for the Reid regime.

For any coach taking a job, the ultimate goal should be a Lombardi Trophy.
While anything short of that may not be labeled as a failure, neither can it be labeled a success.
I'm sorry but I disagree.

There have been many very good coaches that have produced contending teams, year after year, that never won a Super Bowl.

Guys like Chuck Knox, John Robinson, Dan Reeves, John Fox, Jeff Fisher, Marv Levy and on and on and on.

If a coach is consistently fielding a team that has a very good chance at appearing in a Super Bowl, I don't know how that can be considered anything but a success.
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Vermeil's a D. The rest are Fs. Clearly.

Isn't the whole point of bringing in Reid to change the fortunes of the franchise? You're suggesting giving him a pass for maintaining the status quo.
The present fortune of this franchise has been to win 5 games, draft at the top of the draft and largely !@#$ it up.

You have a very tenuous grasp on reality if you believe making the playoffs to be the 'status quo' for the Kansas City Chiefs.

The sooner you come to grips with the depths this franchise has fallen to, the better you'll be for it. You fellas that desperately wanted Marty gone got your wish - and the Chiefs have largely been pathetic ever since.

For historical perspective, this is the 1988 Kansas City Chiefs you're looking at here. We're talking about a decade+ of wandering in the wilderness. The Chiefs haven't been a credible NFL franchise for any lengthy period of time in over a decade.

Once you understand that, you can fairly judge the performance of Andy Reid.
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I'd argue that Frank Ganz was at least as bad as Crennel.
I'd argue that Crennel was worse because he didn't have one unit that excelled in any area. At least Gansz had decent special teams. Crennel didn't have anything to rest his hat on.

Oh, and no one killed himself at Arrowhead under Gansz.
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:03 PM   #98
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I'm sorry but I disagree.

There have been many very good coaches that have produced contending teams, year after year, that never won a Super Bowl.

Guys like Chuck Knox, John Robinson, Dan Reeves, John Fox, Jeff Fisher, Marv Levy and on and on and on.

If a coach is consistently fielding a team that has a very good chance at appearing in a Super Bowl, I don't know how that can be considered anything but a success.
If you set a goal and fail to achieve that goal, have you succeeded?
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If you set a goal and fail to achieve that goal, have you succeeded?
Then each and every year, 31 teams in the National Football League are failures.

I'm sorry but that's nonsense.
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:12 PM   #100
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Then each and every year, 31 teams in the National Football League are failures.

I'm sorry but that's nonsense.
I am not talking about a yearly perpsective, though ultimately the above statement is true.

We are talking about the years here.

If Andy Reid is the coach of this team for 5 or more years and he fails to win a SB, then ultimately he has not succeeded, much as he didn't in Philly.

If you win more games than you lose, win some playoff games, but no SB, you can not be labeled a failure, but neither should you be labeled a success.
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:17 PM   #102
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I am not talking about a yearly perpsective, though ultimately the above statement is true.

We are talking about the years here.

If Andy Reid is the coach of this team for 5 or more years and he fails to win a SB, then ultimately he has not succeeded, much as he didn't in Philly.

If you win more games than you lose, win some playoff games, but no SB, you can not be labeled a failure, but neither should you be labeled a success.
And if Andy Reid wins in the playoffs, makes an AFC Championship appearance and never wins a Super Bowl, he'll still be considered a success to the overwhelming majority of fans.

Super Bowls are nice but in addition to great ownership, front office, coaching and personnel, there is absolutely a certain amount of luck involved.
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How is winning a playoff game considered Status Quo?
A) Set that bar high, Dane!

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And if Andy Reid wins in the playoffs, makes an AFC Championship appearance and never wins a Super Bowl, he'll still be considered a success to the overwhelming majority of fans.

Super Bowls are nice but in addition to great ownership, front office, coaching and personnel, there is absolutely a certain amount of luck involved.
B) **** the "overwhelming majority of fans". Those idiots high five each other when this team takes a Tackle at 1.1

Cue it...
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