Chiefs Late night bullshit: breaking down the tape on our defense. - Page 7

Direckshun · 09-08-2013, 10:28 PM

Just random thoughts on multiple viewings of our defensive snaps:

* During the first half (and the first half of the third quarter) the Chiefs were a fantastic, totally modern assortment of how they preferred to line up their DL. They played Poe 90% of the time, and they played him at nose and end. They played DeVito like 70%, and they played him at nose occasionally. They played Tyson Jackson about 70% of the time, and played him at both end positions. Catapano is our rotational guy.

* Catapano got some great snaps in, and looks incredibly promising -- a guy who was initially brought in as an OLB, but was insanely strong so the staff was like **** it, we have no depth at DE, let's try him out there. Not only does he give you extra athleticism, but the guy is stout as a mother****er against the run. You cannot run against the Chiefs.

* Let me say that again: you cannot run against the Chiefs. Jackson and DeVito are already incredibly good against the run, and Poe has finally developed to be perhaps the best of the bunch. Catapano has proven himself adept as well. Houston, Berry, Jordan, and DJ all serve their roles brilliantly in plugging gaps.

* That's probably the biggest difference between the Chiefs defense under Herm, Haley, and Crennel, compared to Reid. Under Reid (i.e. Bob Sutton), the Chiefs' gap integrity has so far been unrivaled. The entire defense moves as a singular cohesive unit. Poe is commanding double- and triple-teams, Jackson and DeVito are owning tackles, Houston and Hali are cutting off the edges, and Jordan, Johnson, and Berry are plugging gaps brilliantly.

* There are so many brilliant talents on this defense, but the emotional tone setters are clearly Hali and Flowers. Poe, Houston, Johnson, Berry, and all the others are very talented, but the emotional leaders on this defense right now are Hali and Flowers, and it looks like Berry is about a season or so away from getting there as well. Hali's hustle spreads like a virus across this defense, and you can see his pursuit borne out in Houston, DJ, Berry, Poe, and Jackson.

* Poe... what else can be said about this guy. His play today suggests he could keep developing to become the best DT this team has had since the franchise's Super Bowl days. There is only so much you can do against an all-muscle 330 lbs that's faster than most offensive lineman and stronger than most offensive lineman. You can tell his technique is developing, and the Chiefs are throwing him into all kinds of twists and stunts to create mismatches. My favorite play was probably his combined sack with Eric Berry.

* Eric Berry is being played like a linebacker, and against the Jags he played roughly 10% of his snaps at the line of scrimmage. His coverage has improved but the very best part of Berry's game: he is unblockable. Sending out offensive lineman to block him is a fool's errand. He sheds blocks like nobody's business.

* The Chiefs stuffed the box against the Jags -- they did more than stuff the box, they stuffed the line of scrimmage. So many times they lined up 7 guys along the line of scrimmage, some of them dropping back and some of them rushing. I still don't like Hali dropping back. Houston is money in coverage, though. He was on the field for every defensive snap because he is so ****ing versatile.

* Great game from Kendrick Lewis, too. Played very aggressive, lots of snaps up against the line of scrimmage. The Chiefs are treating Lewis as the FS and Berry as more of the SS, but they are mixing Lewis up all over the field, treating him as more of a hybrid between the safeties, while Berry is part-timing as a linebacker.

* If Jackson can rack up a half dozen sacks while being rock solid against the run, we should seriously work our ass off to resign him this offseason. He will be as close to that guy we drafted #3 overall as anything else we could possibly bring in.

* This defense has the talent and the defensive coordinator to be a Top 5 defense. It's definitely a Top 10 defense. The Cowboys game will be a phenomenal challenge, as Romo will willingly challenge our corners more aggressively, and Sean Smith, Husain Abdullah, and Quentin Demps will be challenged far more frequently. We can still be exposed in the passing game: Hali will have a bear of a time against Tyron Smith, but Houston and Poe should pave a path to Romo that Berry and DJ can follow. But if that passrush doesn't come as quickly as it needs to, then Sean Smith can get exposed if he's not on his game, which he all-too-frequently isn't. I don't fear any of Dallas' tertiary receivers against our nickel- and dime-backs, but I do fear Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, and Jason Witten against Sean Smith, Brandon Flowers, and Eric Berry.

But the Cowboys will not run on the Chiefs. Nobody will, this year.

Ace Gunner · 09-09-2013, 10:06 AM

Glenn ****ing Dorsey's absence makes this defense a lot better.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

We should get bailey back this week he's ready after the passing of his father

Between Bailey and catapano, I am surprisingly stoked about our d line depth. The guy is inconsistent, but flashed some really serious potential this preseason. He should improve that consistency by getting more quality reps.

Mother****erJones · 09-09-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ace Gunner

Glenn ****ing Dorsey's absence makes this defense a lot better.

Anyone know how he did yesterday for the 49ers? Box score says 1 tackle

Brock · 09-09-2013, 10:12 AM

Credit where it's due: pioli made a couple of picks that were pure jackpots.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Anyone know how he did yesterday for the 49ers? Box score says 1 tackle

He actually played pretty well. But then, the Packers oline is pretty bad.

saphojunkie · 09-09-2013, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Credit where it's due: pioli made a couple of picks that were pure jackpots.

I will never truly hate Jon Baldwin, because the trade down for him landed us the pick that got Houston.

Shox · 09-09-2013, 10:20 AM

Well a lot of good points made pro & con.

For me i see this D will holding a lot of opponents to 20 pts or less. So if we can get to 21 points we going to win a lot games. Yes there will be a couple of games they will give up 30+( Redskins, Texans, Broncos 2X), but far more under 20. So 8-8 should be a lock. If the O gets a little more consistent 10-6, 11-5 is not unrealistic.

Red Gorilla · 09-09-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OzarksChiefsFan

I have issues, Lewis once again couldn't tackle anything. The lone player on the D that can't seem to wrap and tackle. Case in point he had Jones Drew short of the first down but decided to tackle him head high. On another play he simply whiffed. Rest of the D was pretty good but a weak link is a weak link.

I only noticed one missed tackle by Lewis which is a big improvement imo. I'll have to watch again tonight.

SeeingRed · 09-09-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

I think Houston is our best defender at the moment. He's very good in every aspect of the game, and off the hook when it comes to rushing the passer.

Houston said he is going after the sack record of 22 in an interview after the game. He is 19 away with 15 to play. Big dream but he gets 22 and Chiefs are in post season

SeeingRed · 09-09-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

Catapano, a 7th round pick was lining up 1 on 1 with Joeckel and beating him, a #2 overall pick, like a whipping post

Now I see why they passed on him

Catapano is WAY underrated! He would have been a 3rd round pick if he had gotten a combine invite. The more playing time he gets the more plays he makes...go watch the film of Jacksonville game again and look at him closely. Kid is a BEAST! Watch how fast Catapano discards his guy and gets in on Chad Henne to end the game on 4th and goal...looked like he was shot out of a rocket! How many guys move like that at 280 lbs?? This defense has some SERIOUS players. Big test next week but I look forward to watching this D against high powered Dallas O.

ReynardMuldrake · 09-09-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

Catapano, a 7th round pick was lining up 1 on 1 with Joeckel and beating him, a #2 overall pick, like a whipping post

Now I see why they passed on him

I'm sorry I ever doubted Dorsey's scouting.

MagicHef · 09-09-2013, 11:56 AM

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* Let me say that again: you cannot run against the Chiefs. Jackson and DeVito are already incredibly good against the run, and Poe has finally developed to be perhaps the best of the bunch. Catapano has proven himself adept as well. Houston, Berry, Jordan, and DJ all serve their roles brilliantly in plugging gaps.

Teams that allowed fewer yards per carry in week 1 than the Chiefs:

Browns
Titans
Jets
Packers
Steelers
Falcons
Panthers
Broncos
Cardinals
Ravens
Bengals
Bears

Also of note: none of the above teams played the Jaguars.

Sorter · 09-09-2013, 11:57 AM

The Falcons on that list is somewhat surprising.

**Lzen** · 09-09-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

-Our secondary depth was not tested, and that's going to be the most important part. I think Lewis' lack of speed is going to be a huge liability given how aggressive we're going to play, and the fact that we're considering 3 safety sets tells you how bad our CB depth is

This is the only thing you said with which I can agree.

SeeingRed · 09-09-2013, 01:08 PM

This is going to be a BIG challenge!! This is a team that can really air it out....Romo has multiple weapons. That said if this D can hold the Cowboys in check then Denver wouldnt be all that unreasonable. BIG step up in competition this week.

09-08-2013, 10:28 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Late night bullshit: breaking down the tape on our defense. Just random thoughts on multiple viewings of our defensive snaps: * During the first half (and the first half of the third quarter) the Chiefs were a fantastic, totally modern assortment of how they preferred to line up their DL. They played Poe 90% of the time, and they played him at nose and end. They played DeVito like 70%, and they played him at nose occasionally. They played Tyson Jackson about 70% of the time, and played him at both end positions. Catapano is our rotational guy. * Catapano got some great snaps in, and looks incredibly promising -- a guy who was initially brought in as an OLB, but was insanely strong so the staff was like ** it, we have no depth at DE, let's try him out there. Not only does he give you extra athleticism, but the guy is stout as a mother*er against the run. You cannot run against the Chiefs. Let me say that again: you cannot run against the Chiefs. Jackson and DeVito are already incredibly good against the run, and Poe has finally developed to be perhaps the best of the bunch. Catapano has proven himself adept as well. Houston, Berry, Jordan, and DJ all serve their roles brilliantly in plugging gaps. * That's probably the biggest difference between the Chiefs defense under Herm, Haley, and Crennel, compared to Reid. Under Reid (i.e. Bob Sutton), the Chiefs' gap integrity has so far been unrivaled. The entire defense moves as a singular cohesive unit. Poe is commanding double- and triple-teams, Jackson and DeVito are owning tackles, Houston and Hali are cutting off the edges, and Jordan, Johnson, and Berry are plugging gaps brilliantly. * There are so many brilliant talents on this defense, but the emotional tone setters are clearly Hali and Flowers. Poe, Houston, Johnson, Berry, and all the others are very talented, but the emotional leaders on this defense right now are Hali and Flowers, and it looks like Berry is about a season or so away from getting there as well. Hali's hustle spreads like a virus across this defense, and you can see his pursuit borne out in Houston, DJ, Berry, Poe, and Jackson. * Poe... what else can be said about this guy. His play today suggests he could keep developing to become the best DT this team has had since the franchise's Super Bowl days. There is only so much you can do against an all-muscle 330 lbs that's faster than most offensive lineman and stronger than most offensive lineman. You can tell his technique is developing, and the Chiefs are throwing him into all kinds of twists and stunts to create mismatches. My favorite play was probably his combined sack with Eric Berry. * Eric Berry is being played like a linebacker, and against the Jags he played roughly 10% of his snaps at the line of scrimmage. His coverage has improved but the very best part of Berry's game: he is unblockable. Sending out offensive lineman to block him is a fool's errand. He sheds blocks like nobody's business. * The Chiefs stuffed the box against the Jags -- they did more than stuff the box, they stuffed the line of scrimmage. So many times they lined up 7 guys along the line of scrimmage, some of them dropping back and some of them rushing. I still don't like Hali dropping back. Houston is money in coverage, though. He was on the field for every defensive snap because he is so ***ing versatile. Great game from Kendrick Lewis, too. Played very aggressive, lots of snaps up against the line of scrimmage. The Chiefs are treating Lewis as the FS and Berry as more of the SS, but they are mixing Lewis up all over the field, treating him as more of a hybrid between the safeties, while Berry is part-timing as a linebacker. * If Jackson can rack up a half dozen sacks while being rock solid against the run, we should seriously work our ass off to resign him this offseason. He will be as close to that guy we drafted #3 overall as anything else we could possibly bring in. * This defense has the talent and the defensive coordinator to be a Top 5 defense. It's definitely a Top 10 defense. The Cowboys game will be a phenomenal challenge, as Romo will willingly challenge our corners more aggressively, and Sean Smith, Husain Abdullah, and Quentin Demps will be challenged far more frequently. We can still be exposed in the passing game: Hali will have a bear of a time against Tyron Smith, but Houston and Poe should pave a path to Romo that Berry and DJ can follow. But if that passrush doesn't come as quickly as it needs to, then Sean Smith can get exposed if he's not on his game, which he all-too-frequently isn't. I don't fear any of Dallas' tertiary receivers against our nickel- and dime-backs, but I do fear Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, and Jason Witten against Sean Smith, Brandon Flowers, and Eric Berry. But the Cowboys will not run on the Chiefs. Nobody will, this year.
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Shox Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10005765	Well a lot of good points made pro & con. For me i see this D will holding a lot of opponents to 20 pts or less. So if we can get to 21 points we going to win a lot games. Yes there will be a couple of games they will give up 30+( Redskins, Texans, Broncos 2X), but far more under 20. So 8-8 should be a lock. If the O gets a little more consistent 10-6, 11-5 is not unrealistic.
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SeeingRed Veteran Join Date: May 2013 Casino cash: $10011193	This is going to be a BIG challenge!! This is a team that can really air it out....Romo has multiple weapons. That said if this D can hold the Cowboys in check then Denver wouldnt be all that unreasonable. BIG step up in competition this week.
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