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Old 08-13-2014, 01:37 PM  
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Teicher: No sign yet that Bowe will bounce back
ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs made their decision on Dwayne Bowe for better or for worse last year when they signed him to a lucrative, long-term contract.

They didn’t get their money’s worth from their No. 1 wide receiver last year, when he had the worst statistical full season of his career. Bowe failed to lead the Chiefs in receiving for the first time since they traded Tony Gonzalez after the 2008 season.

But in part because of Bowe’s big contract, the Chiefs were limited in their ability to pursue a receiver in free agency. The only wide receiver likely to make the regular-season roster who wasn’t with the Chiefs last season is rookie Albert Wilson, an undrafted free agent.

So their best chance to see dramatic improvement at the position may rest with Bowe. He had a tough day at practice on Wednesday, dropping a pair of passes and deflected another for an interception.

That’s hardly an indication that Bowe won’t rebound this season. But he hasn’t had a great camp and the Chiefs may be guilty of wishful thinking when it comes to their top wide receiver.

Bowe in September will turn 30, the age when the skills of many receivers start their decline. Could it be that process has already started with Bowe?

We’ll find out soon. Chiefs wide receivers coach David Culley said Bowe is in much better shape than he was last summer. Bowe said he’s in the best shape of his career.

“I know from last year, it’s completely different,’’ said Culley, who in his second season with the Chiefs. “Thirty is a mindset. There’s old 30s and there’s young 30s. Which 30 do you want to be? When he came back, he came back as a young 30 and that’s what you have to do to play in this league for a long time.’’

The Chiefs need Culley to be right. If he’s not, it would be obvious the Chiefs made the wrong decision last year on Bowe.

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...ll-bounce-back
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Old 08-13-2014, 03:24 PM   #91
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McCluster's receiving production didn't dip with Alex Smith. Again, right at the top.


You CANNOT be serious.

A little useless slapdick like McCluster who never goes downfield is obviously going to have inflated numbers with a guy like Alex.
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Old 08-13-2014, 03:24 PM   #92
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Avery was 20 catches and nearly 200 yards short of his career best...

It's no coincidence that the outside WR's suffered through a year of Alex Smith. Even his biggest ball washers will tell you he doesn't like going outside.
He was also targeted 50 times more in 2012 than 2013. FIFTY TIMES.

And out of those fifty extra attempts? He got less than 200 yards.

Avery averaged 14.9 YPC or nearly 2YPC better than his "career best."

That's not killing a wide receiver. That's being far more ****ing efficient.
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Old 08-13-2014, 03:25 PM   #93
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I've already posted the chart that shows how much Crabtree's production suffered with Alex vs Kaepernick.

Alex is what he is...maybe Bowe can get 800 yards this year.
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Old 08-13-2014, 03:26 PM   #94
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Jesus Christ that's like 12 yards a game!

He dropped more than 200 yards worth of passes.
Jesus Christ that's like 5 games at Avery's pace of 39 yards a game last season.

And Avery has been plagued with dropped passes his entire career, dipshit.
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You CANNOT be serious.

A little useless slapdick like McCluster who never goes downfield is obviously going to have inflated numbers with a guy like Alex.
You have a really bad habit of making blanket statements, being called on them, and then qualifying them retroactively. It's the difference between making an argument and being argumentative.

CLAY: Alex makes wide receivers worse!!!

Actually, these wide receivers didn't show that at all.

CLAY: Idiot! I didn't mean those wide receivers!

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Old 08-13-2014, 03:28 PM   #96
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I've already posted the chart that shows how much Crabtree's production suffered with Alex vs Kaepernick.

Alex is what he is...maybe Bowe can get 800 yards this year.
Maybe you and OTWP can get together and come up with all the magic statistical numbers that equals wins.

You guys are far more hung up on stats for individual players than you are actually winning.

That is unless you want to discuss the playoff game and then the stats mean nothing because we lost.

Nice cherry picking world to live in.
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You have a really bad habit of making blanket statements, being called on them, and then qualifying them retroactively. It's the difference between making an argument and being argumentative.

CLAY: Alex makes wide receivers worse!!!

Actually, these wide receivers didn't show that at all.

CLAY: Idiot! I didn't mean those wide receivers!

None of our wide receivers performed well last year. McCluster included, despite what you think about his "production."

Avery had a much better year in Indianapolis, too. And I told EVERYONE his production would go down here.

You don't have a leg to stand on. Alex Smith's ENTIRE CAREER is a middle finger to wide receivers and downfield passing.
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Old 08-13-2014, 03:29 PM   #98
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Jesus Christ that's like 5 games at Avery's pace of 39 yards a game last season.

And Avery has been plagued with dropped passes his entire career, dipshit.
So in other words, Avery's production didn't drop off much. Got it.
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So in other words, Avery's production didn't drop off much. Got it.
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None of our wide receivers performed well last year. McCluster included, despite what you think about his "production."

Avery had a much better year in Indianapolis, too. And I told EVERYONE his production would go down here.

You don't have a leg to stand on. Alex Smith's ENTIRE CAREER is a middle finger to wide receivers and downfield passing.
It's not about producing. It's about their COMPARATIVE PRODUCTION. And compared to their history, neither receiver had a down year.

Avery had a much better year in Indianapols? Are you ****ing shitting me?

The guy was mediocre in Indy. He's mediocre in KC. Luck threw to Avery FIFTY TIMES more in Indy and that garnered a whopping 195 more yards and one more touchdown.

Your contention was that Smith makes receivers worse. That didn't happen to any receiver other than Bowe. Avery had a normal Avery year and McCluster had his best year by far.

It doesn't matter if they're both average jackoffs. What matters is that you're wrong. Smith wasn't detrimental to them at all.
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The only comment in that article that means a thing is Teicher saying that Bowe has had a bad camp. His basis for saying that? Who knows. It's Teicher.

You have to wonder how much the underwhelming crop of free agent WRs this past offseason played in to the decision to re-sign him.

Bowe looked to be suffering from just-got-paid last year. That had better not happen again this year or he could well find himself on the trading block.
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You have to wonder how much the underwhelming crop of free agent WRs this past offseason played in to the decision to re-sign him.
I would imagine the list of reasons to re-sign Bowe looked something like this:

1) Bowe's past body of work
























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Old 08-13-2014, 03:56 PM   #103
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Total bullshit. WRs in the best shape of their life, who have never had a major injury, are not "done" at 30.

Bowe has a good five years left.
From this week's MMQB...

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7. I think I’m not sure which quote I hear more from players of these two:

•“I am in the best shape of my life at this training camp.”

•“I learned that a supplement I took caused the positive test. I deeply regret not investigating the supplement.” (Miami safety Reshad Jones said that Friday afternoon, when the league suspended him for the first four games of the season for a positive PED test.)

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/11/johnny...el-sam-rams/5/
Note that it was written after spending time with the Chiefs. Also, for the record, Bowe has said both quotes.
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Your contention was that Smith makes receivers worse. That didn't happen to any receiver other than Bowe.
It happened with Michael Crabtree.

And it happened to Avery, too. Of COURSE he had fewer targets here. Why? ALEX SMITH IS HIS QB. ALL OF THE WRS TARGETS WENT DOWN.

And it will happen again this year unless Alex raises his level of play. Last year was not good enough.
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It happened with Michael Crabtree.

And it happened to Avery, too. Of COURSE he had fewer targets here. Why? ALEX SMITH IS HIS QB. ALL OF THE WRS TARGETS WENT DOWN.

And it will happen again this year unless Alex raises his level of play. Last year was not good enough.
I'm with you. I hope he does. I'm not happy with a top 15 QB. But I don't think he's fundamentally incapable of raising his level of play. And while Avery's yards went down, his YPC went way up. Alex is very efficient.

I would like to see him take more chances, even if it hurts his efficiency.
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