Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs

[bsroyals54]

Matt Cassel is a good QB

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by bsroyals54

Matt Cassel is a good QB

According to some here, he's just as good as Alex Smith.

One has a career 82.8 rating, the other has a career 80.1.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

According to some here, he's just as good as Alex Smith.

One has a career 82.8 rating, the other has a career 80.1.

I'd put them both in the same category of QBs good enough to start for franchises that simply dont care.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I'd put them both in the same category of QBs good enough to start for franchises that simply dont care.

I wouldn't.

He started for Minnesota but they obviously "care" because they tried to replace him and did as quickly as possible.

Cassel's a nice "stop gap" guy. He's good in the locker room and knows his role. Unfortunately, Scott Pioli mistook that as him being a capable starter and of course, we all know the rest.

But he's not Alex Smith, as if that should be any kind of barometer, anyway.

[ODESSABRONC]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I wouldn't.

He started for Minnesota but they obviously "care" because they tried to replace him and did as quickly as possible.

Cassel's a nice "stop gap" guy. He's good in the locker room and knows his role. Unfortunately, Scott Pioli mistook that as him being a capable starter and of course, we all know the rest.

But he's not Alex Smith, as if that should be any kind of barometer, anyway.

Smith and Cassel are cut from the same cloth. They're both stop gap quarterbacks at best.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

According to some here, he's just as good as Alex Smith.

One has a career 82.8 rating, the other has a career 80.1.

Can you imagine how much shit people would be giving another team (let's use Denver as an example) if their last two quarterbacks were Matt Cassel and Alex Smith.

We still get chuckles out of Tim Teblow and everybody's happy to hammer the last nail in Manning's coffin.

All while we spend years trying to rationalize being okay with Matt Cassel and Alex Smith.

Stockholm syndrome?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Can you imagine how much shit people would be giving another team (let's use Denver as an example) if their last two quarterbacks were Matt Cassel and Alex Smith.

We still get chuckles out of Tim Teblow and everybody's happy to hammer the last nail in Manning's coffin.

All while we spend years trying to rationalize being okay with Matt Cassel and Alex Smith.

Stockholm syndrome?

Not "we", but your point stands.

Think of all the QB's (10? 12?) this place has tried to minimize over the last half-decade or so, (including SB winners) while propping up slapdicks like Cassel and Smith.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Not "we", but your point stands.

Think of all the QB's (10? 12?) this place has tried to minimize over the last half-decade or so, (including SB winners) while propping up slapdicks like Cassel and Smith.

I was using the royal "we" indicating all of (groan) Chiefs kingdom...

(I hated both trades, as you'll recall)

[DaneMcCloud]

Comparing Green to Smith is nearly impossible.

As much as Smith sucked this season (and the offensive line is definitely part of the reason), Trent Green wouldn't have lasted two games with this line. In terms of being "injury prone", Trent Green needed three full years to fully recover from an ACL tear. He would have been knocked into retirement behind the 2014 offensive line.

The line doesn't exonerate Smith's poor play and lack of TD's to WR's or his inability to thread the needle. But if the Reid and Dorsey want to avoid sitting home in January for the remainder of their tenure, they'll need to fix this offensive line as quickly as possible.

Otherwise, they'll both be looking for work by 2017.

Edit: Oh, and find some guys that can catch the freakin' ball.

[keg in kc]

Going from explosive diarrhea to a runny shit is tangible improvement, too.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Going from explosive diarrhea to a runny shit is tangible improvement, too.

I suppose. Then you eat some cheese.

'Cheese' in this situation would be a couple of guards, a tackle, and something resembling an NFL WR corps.

Maybe then Reid would be able to call the odd downfield passing play without It being a wasted down.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I suppose. Then you eat some cheese.

'Cheese' in this situation would be a couple of guards, a tackle, and something resembling an NFL WR corps.

He'd still be Alex Smith, we'd still be wondering why he takes head-scratching sacks, never pushes the ball downfield and blaming everything he doesn't do on everybody around him.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

He'd still be Alex Smith, we'd still be wondering why he takes head-scratching sacks, never pushes the ball downfield and blaming everything he doesn't do on everybody around him.

Dude, the KC offensive line and WR corps are substandard by ANY NFL teams standards.

Even Jacksonville has a better receiving corps than Alex Smith has.

If it were me making decisions, I don't throw deep to AJ Jenkins either. I don't trust him. While that happens, neither guard blocks their man and I'm buried under an avalanche of LBS and DLs.

The sacks aren't 'head-scratching'; The line is terrible and the wide receivers cant even make it to the end zone when there's nothing but green to 6 and ball in hand.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Dude, the KC offensive line and WR corps are substandard by ANY NFL teams standards.

Even Jacksonville has a better receiving corps than Alex Smith has.

If it were me making decisions, I don't throw deep to AJ Jenkins either. I don't trust him. While that happens, neither guard blocks their man and I'm buried under an avalanche of LBS and DLs.

The sacks aren't 'head-scratching'; The line is terrible and the wide receivers cant even make it to the end zone when there's nothing but green to 6 and ball in hand.

You're welcome to your opinion. I'm of the opinion that elements of his game make both the line and the receivers worse. That is not to say that the line is good. It's not. Or at least the left guard wasn't. But he doesn't help his line out in any way.

And the idea that Alex Smith doesn't have anybody to throw the ball is one of the worst long-running fallacies here. Dwayne Bowe starts on literally any team in the league, and is probably a 1000-yard receiver with 2/3 to 3/4 of the other starting quarterbacks. (And personally I think he's a better receiver than Eddie Kennison ever was.) Jamaal Charles is the discussion of best receiving back in the league. Travis Kelce just posted a 67 reception, 864 yard season, virtually identical to Tony Gonzalez in the year in question. DeAnthony Thomas should develop into a better offensive player than Dante Hall. Smith is missing a second starting receiver. Call it a one, call it a two, whatever. However you want to frame it that's pretty much it. The cupboard is no where close to bare.

The lineplay is an issue. There's no question about that. Brian Waters and Will Shields would make a huge difference now. Not to mention Willie Roaf. But this continued idea that Smith didn't have anybody to throw to needs to die. Enough already. They were trying to find one starter to replace the oft-injured Avery, not an entire crew of receivers.

[ODESSABRONC]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I suppose. Then you eat some cheese.

'Cheese' in this situation would be a couple of guards, a tackle, and something resembling an NFL WR corps.

Maybe then Reid would be able to call the odd downfield passing play without It being a wasted down.

No cheese doesn't help. It irritates the bowels and makes matters worse.