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beach tribe · 11-01-2015, 02:28 PM

Browns looking to trade Alex Mack and Joe Thomas

The news is rather surprising given that Thomas is under contract through 2018 -- he has no guaranteed money for 2016 -- and Mack, who was almost lost in free agency to the Jacksonville Jaguars a season ago, has a no-trade clause. Mack -- who was listed by our Marc Sessler as a prime trade candidate earlier this week -- can opt out of his long-term deal after this season, though, which could be a motivating factor.

Still, this is an interesting and rather unorthodox approach to the trade deadline. The team likely feels they can replace Mack with 2015 first-round pick Cam Erving and slot one of their other highly-regarded offensive linemen in for Thomas.

Rapoport added that the team is also open to dealing former high-priced free agent acquisition Paul Kruger and Barkevious Mingo, the No. 6 overall pick from the 2013 draft. This, after already dealing Trent Richardson, their No. 3 overall pick from the 2012 draft. If you're just now sensing a pattern here, catch up. This is Browns football.

This would be the ultimate white flag raised on the 2015 season considering the Browns were going to hang their hat on the run game. Thomas has been one of the franchise's greatest players and, in a way, a trade to a contending opponent would be bittersweet. On one hand, he could finally put his skills to better use, but on the other, he would be departing a team that hinged on his professionalism for years.

Many of these talks often break down but scars from certain names leaking remain. So if general manager Ray Farmer is interested in getting it done, the clock is ticking. Nov. 3, 4 p.m. ET is coming quite soon.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...and-joe-thomas

kccrow · 11-01-2015, 05:45 PM

Chiefs traded for Willie Roaf at the age of 31 and he played 4 more seasons as a Chief. I don't recall people bitching about that move.

Discuss Thrower · 11-01-2015, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Chiefs traded for Willie Roaf at the age of 31 and he played 4 more seasons as a Chief. I don't recall people bitching about that move.

One playoff appearance and a bunch of rushing records. Yay.

jonzie04 · 11-01-2015, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

One playoff appearance and a bunch of rushing records. Yay.

I wonder what we could claim if they used the Roaf pick on a defensive depth player instead? Please let us all know.

jspchief · 11-01-2015, 05:49 PM

They got a 1st for Trent Richardson. I'm skeptical that they'll let Thomas go for a 3rd.

BryanBusby · 11-01-2015, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The team isn't good enough to win now. Period.

They need two if not three new starting linebackers beyond the problem of just being shallow roster in general.

The Seahawks model shows you need a minimum of four years of drafting to field a balanced competitive roster. At best the Chiefs are two years away from that -and that's assuming you include the UDFA guys that have been picked up as draft picks.

Don't fall for the okeydoke that the team beating Houston, the Roethlisberger-less Steelers and the dumpster fire that is the Detroit Lions.

A rebuild is inevitable, and trading picks for vets hinders the rebuilding effort.

You act like spending a not Day 1 draft pick for a HoF player keeps them from acquiring young players.

God shut up.

kccrow · 11-01-2015, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

One playoff appearance and a bunch of rushing records. Yay.

Problems for that team weren't on the offensive side of the ball and you know it. This team, now, they are.

I'm not advocating a 1st round pick for the guy. A 3rd, yeah. I don't think I'd do a 2nd at this stage of his career.

Discuss Thrower · 11-01-2015, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

I wonder what we could claim if they used the Roaf pick on a defensive depth player instead? Please let us all know.

Yeah, don't think about the dearth of talent on the team after Vermeil departed. Had nothing to do with having fewer picks. Nope.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-01-2015, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

You act like spending a not Day 1 draft pick for a HoF player keeps them from acquiring young players.

God shut up.

It sure can. If you put enough make-up on the pig that the Chiefs refuse to acknowledge the problem.

Making these trades would be awesome. But if it buys Alex Smith security to keep doing what he's doing, then **** that. The only reason people here are nervous is because it's been the Chiefs way to do it this way.

kccrow · 11-01-2015, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Yeah, don't think about the dearth of talent on the team after Vermeil departed. Had nothing to do with having fewer picks. Nope.

Chiefs gave up a 2nd and 3rd round pick just for Dick Vermeil. They gave a 4th conditional to a 3rd for Roaf. Which was the worse deal?

jonzie04 · 11-01-2015, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

You act like spending a not Day 1 draft pick for a HoF player keeps them from acquiring young players.

God shut up.

The worst part to me.... It's not like he said that we might have an off chance at finding a Jared Allen, or a Joe Horn(minus the trade). He said we can't trade for him because we need that pick for a defensive depth player.

jonzie04 · 11-01-2015, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Yeah, don't think about the dearth of talent on the team after Vermeil departed. Had nothing to do with having fewer picks. Nope.

So what you're saying is, if we didn't trade for Roaf then we would have gotten some random defensive depth player. And we still would have won 0 play off games, and we wouldn't have a bunch of rushing records?

**Iowanian** · 11-01-2015, 05:57 PM

Alex Mack wouldn't come to KC. Thomas would have personal reasons to be ok playing in KC.

**Baby Lee** · 11-01-2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I th8nk he's indecisive because of getting hit alot so he starts seeing ghosts not playing with confidence.

Yeah, that line was a mauling group in SF but they didn't pass block near as well, some probably due to Smith's indecisiveness no doubt.

team synergy is for everyone but Alex. His status is written in the heavens and the firmament, ever unchanging, ever unchanged. . . . And don't you dare trying improving anything around him in a FUTILE effort to disprove our forefather's and forefathers' forefather's proclamations!!!

BryanBusby · 11-01-2015, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It sure can. If you put enough make-up on the pig that the Chiefs refuse to acknowledge the problem.

Making these trades would be awesome. But if it buys Alex Smith security to keep doing what he's doing, then **** that. The only reason people here are nervous is because it's been the Chiefs way to do it this way.

I don't think trading for Thomas means they are handcuffed to Alex

A LT will not make up their minds.

This isn't also the Vermeil era you dolts. Doing a trade here and there for a great ass player is what smart teams do.

Trading for all your talent is when shit goes bad.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-01-2015, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I don't think trading for Thomas means they are handcuffed to Alex

A LT will not make up their minds.

If that's the case, I'm very supportive of the trade.

But... Chiefs. Their history suggests otherwise.

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