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Old 08-18-2016, 07:52 AM  
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Barnwell on Derek Carr
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Carr's offensive line allowed him to do things that were relative luxuries for Bortles and Bridgewater, like breathe in the pocket without fearing for his life. Carr was pressured on only 21.6 percent of his dropbacks, the fifth-lowest rate among starting quarterbacks. A quarterback who gets the ball out quickly can distort that number (see: Tom Brady), but other metrics suggest that wasn't the case with Carr. He took 2.44 seconds before his typical pass, 15th in the league. Carr's average throw traveled 7.67 yards in the air, which was slightly below league average and one full yard deeper than the typical Bridgewater pass (6.66)...


It's another Oakland credo to go after enormous receivers. Carr's average pass went to a receiver who was 74.3 inches tall (a little over 6 feet 2), giving him the fourth-largest receiving corps in football. (Jacksonville's grouping was third.) Sadly, they weren't always his friends. Oakland's pass-catchers, which will return virtually unchanged in 2016, dropped 5.1 percent of Carr's throws last year. That was the fifth-worst rate in the league. It's hard to see these receivers combining to drop as many passes in 2016, particularly Cooper, who should be healthier after struggling through plantar fasciitis a year ago. While analyses suggesting Cooper dropped 18 passes seem off the mark, ESPN Stats & Information has Cooper down for 10 drops on 126 targets, the second-highest total in the league behind Tampa's Mike Evans.

The one perhaps concerning quirk surrounding Carr's 2015 season is what happened as it went along: Namely, Carr got worse. A lot worse. His QBR during Weeks 1-9, covering Oakland's first eight games, was 11th in the league at 66.6. During Oakland's final eight games, Carr's QBR dropped to just 35.1, leaving him 28th out of 29 passers. Only Bortles, coincidentally, was worse. Carr's decline came under duress. He had the league's lowest pressure rate during the first half of the year, at 17.6 percent. Over the final eight weeks, that pressure rate leaped up to 25.0 percent. That was only eighth in the league, but it was enough to help throw Carr off track....


There is something that will have to improve, though, fluke or otherwise: Late in games, for whatever reason, Carr was a mess. He posted a 19.9 QBR in the fourth quarter and overtime, which was the second-worst mark in the league ahead of Nick Foles. Bortles, one spot ahead of Carr, finished at 31.2. Seven of Carr's 13 picks came in the fourth quarter and OT, despite the fact that he threw only 31 percent of his passes during that time frame. Only Matthew Stafford had a higher interception rate in the fourth quarter/OT (6.8 percent) than Carr (5.3 percent).
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Old 08-18-2016, 05:09 PM   #91
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He's already better than Smith. He's only played on teams with 32nd and 22nd ranked defenses and no ****ing running game.

A football team with Alex Smith and those defenses/running games would be in the top 5 for draft position every year.

We've got maybe two years left of "peak" Alex Smith, so enjoy 20 TD and 3500 yards and then wishing we had someone like Carr.

I mean do you even get that his best WR was a rookie last year...#2 was a draft bust poor man's Bowe.

lmfao...Chiefs fans...hilarious
The Mods need to ban your stupid, trolling ass.

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Old 08-18-2016, 05:09 PM   #92
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how can you be overrated when you are barely entering your third year as a starting qb for one of the worst teams of the nfl for nearly a decade? He still has a lot of room and time to grow. Teams give up on players after two years is ridiculous and unrealistic. He has a top 10 arm, and a great leader - i'm biased as he's a hometown guy but I see him making a jump within the next two years. IF he doesn't, then I can understand.
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Old 08-18-2016, 05:12 PM   #93
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the point is that he can do things that Alex can't do and attempts throws he wouldn't even consider

check back in 10 years and see who had the better career because of that difference alone
You're a such a ****ing tool.

You predicted the Raiders with Carr would win a playoff game before the Chiefs.

**** off, Claynus. Just go the **** away.
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Old 08-18-2016, 05:14 PM   #94
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For some strange reason I enjoy arguing with Clay. Mostly because he's going to have to eat crow eventually with this regime. Guilty as charged.
Good luck.

He's a spineless twerp.
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You're a such a ****ing tool.

You predicted the Raiders with Carr would win a playoff game before the Chiefs.

**** off, Claynus. Just go the **** away.
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Old 08-18-2016, 05:36 PM   #97
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how can you be overrated when you are barely entering your third year as a starting qb for one of the worst teams of the nfl for nearly a decade? He still has a lot of room and time to grow. Teams give up on players after two years is ridiculous and unrealistic. He has a top 10 arm, and a great leader - i'm biased as he's a hometown guy but I see him making a jump within the next two years. IF he doesn't, then I can understand.
Same way Andrew Luck was proclaimed to be Top 5 after his sophomore season playing a bunch of scrub teams. So much hype.
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Same way Andrew Luck was proclaimed to be Top 5 after his sophomore season playing a bunch of scrub teams. So much hype.
probably throw 40 TDs this year

it's his time now
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A ****ing niner fan/Smith stalker calling for a ban? Despite Clay's multiple sins he's added more content tho this place than you ever could.
Well you are part of the tiny minority willing to defend Clay. Congrats.
Join him in his next ban and spare us from your miserableness
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Same way Andrew Luck was proclaimed to be Top 5 after his sophomore season playing a bunch of scrub teams. So much hype.
I've never been on the Luck hype train, even though he's obviously highly skilled.. he still has room to grow and he plays for a crappy franchise
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Old 08-18-2016, 05:43 PM   #102
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Old 08-18-2016, 05:49 PM   #103
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He's probably a little overrated right now, but his stating last year in terms of yardage and touchdowns would be chiefs all time records.

He was also just a 2nd year qb. I hope this trend continues in the turnover area, but for a 2nd year qb, I'd take it.
Been saying this awhile. If he were a chief the lounge would be named after him. He has had a solid start to his career so far.
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We've talked about this before... but Carr has a shot because who else is going to be good? In the next 5 years, who are the good QBs going to be? We're still waiting for a wave of young guys to take over from the Rivers, Brees and Romos of the world. Those guys are all at the end of their run. Carr's had a decent start to his career, and he has talent.
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So it has long-term brain dead causes then
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