Bosa rejects Chargers "best" offer

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Not getting his whole signing bonus up front costs him money.

what do you think the extra 7 million is worth over a years time?

First of all based on what I've read they want to defer to March, so it's 6 months not a year. Also not getting any of his signing bonus or his salary is going to cost him even more. What is the full 17 million he's passing up worth over a year. Not to mention the fact that if he moves down he'll actually get less money and have to wait longer for it.

I agree the Chargers are being foolish here too, however the player has way more to lose in this case. The Chargers will have lost a top 3 pick, the player will cost himself millions of dollars, all because he's worried about getting part of it in 6 months

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

First of all based on what I've read they want to defer to March, so it's 6 months not a year. Also not getting any of his signing bonus or his salary is going to cost him even more. What is the full 17 million he's passing up worth over a year. Not to mention the fact that if he moves down he'll actually get less money and have to wait longer for it.

I agree the Chargers are being foolish here too, however the player has way more to lose in this case. The Chargers will have lost a top 3 pick, the player will cost himself millions of dollars, all because he's worried about getting part of it in 6 months

the draft was in April iirc.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

What part of this are you not getting? Signing this contract sets a precedent. This is not a greedy athlete situation, it's a situation of the Chargers trying to force a BAD DEAL on this and every future contract for almost no reason other than penny pinching idiocy.

It's not heroic, that's just my way of getting across that most players are poor and don't have the means to fight this kind of thing. The fact that they do sets up a unique situation where they can fight a STUPID OWNER doing STUPID THINGS.

I'm not a Bosa fanboy, I just hate BS contracts put together by businesses that screw their employers for almost zero reason. It reminds me of some KC corporations I worked for. This is why there is a union in the first place.

This is bigger than Bosa practicing.

He's only screwing his own future up.

[Mr. Laz]

Chargers Pull Best Contract Offer For Joey Bosa, Who Should Sign ASAP
by Nicholas Goss on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 2:32PM4,588

Joey Bosa needs to fire his agent and then immediately sign with the San Diego Chargers. The third overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft out of Ohio State is the only first-round pick to be unsigned as of Wednesday, and it appears as if that won’t change anytime soon.

Chargers proposed to Joey Bosa what they made clear is their best offer, source says. It was declined. Offer pulled. Two sides are nowhere. — Michael Gehlken (@sdutGehlken) August 24, 2016

The contract scale for rookies under the current collective bargaining agreement gives both sides a fairly good idea of what the final figure will look like. The Chargers were even going to give him the most first-year money of any 2016 rookie except the No. 2 overall pick. #Chargers offer to Joey Bosa included the 2nd most Year 1 cash behind only Carson Wentz. Now, if he doesn’t play 16 games, it all changes — Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) August 24, 2016

The Chargers released a statement Wednesday explaining this in more detail. Statement from the San Diego Chargers on defensive end Joey Bosa. pic.twitter.com/BayBGeN22x — San Diego Chargers (@Chargers) August 24, 2016

What happens if Bosa refuses to sign? Well, the Chargers cannot trade him right now because the deadline to trade his rights before the regular season has passed (it was Aug. 9). That means if there’s no deal, he just doesn’t play, and that’s an awful way to begin your career.

Missing games would be a bad look for Bosa on so many levels.

He’d be disrespecting his teammates (which he’s pretty much already doing right now), he’d be hurting his reputation around the league, the fans could begin to turn on him, and he’ll be behind when it comes to proving himself for a wealthy second contract.

By the way, Bosa has missed tons of valuable time with his coaches and in the film room during camp and the preseason. He’s not going to be prepared whenever he makes his debut, and it’s going to hurt his on-field performance.

This likely is a battle Bosa’s not going to win. He has no NFL pedigree, no Pro Bowl seasons or monster sack numbers to bolster his case. He’s just a defensive end who had a nice college career. Bosa must sign and do it soon. His entitled attitude is pathetic.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2016/08/chargers-pul...uld-sign-asap/

[tooge]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Chargers Pull Best Contract Offer For Joey Bosa, Who Should Sign ASAP
by Nicholas Goss on Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 2:32PM4,588

Joey Bosa needs to fire his agent and then immediately sign with the San Diego Chargers. The third overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft out of Ohio State is the only first-round pick to be unsigned as of Wednesday, and it appears as if that won’t change anytime soon.

Chargers proposed to Joey Bosa what they made clear is their best offer, source says. It was declined. Offer pulled. Two sides are nowhere. — Michael Gehlken (@sdutGehlken) August 24, 2016

The contract scale for rookies under the current collective bargaining agreement gives both sides a fairly good idea of what the final figure will look like. The Chargers were even going to give him the most first-year money of any 2016 rookie except the No. 2 overall pick. #Chargers offer to Joey Bosa included the 2nd most Year 1 cash behind only Carson Wentz. Now, if he doesn’t play 16 games, it all changes — Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) August 24, 2016

The Chargers released a statement Wednesday explaining this in more detail. Statement from the San Diego Chargers on defensive end Joey Bosa. pic.twitter.com/BayBGeN22x — San Diego Chargers (@Chargers) August 24, 2016

What happens if Bosa refuses to sign? Well, the Chargers cannot trade him right now because the deadline to trade his rights before the regular season has passed (it was Aug. 9). That means if there’s no deal, he just doesn’t play, and that’s an awful way to begin your career.

Missing games would be a bad look for Bosa on so many levels.

He’d be disrespecting his teammates (which he’s pretty much already doing right now), he’d be hurting his reputation around the league, the fans could begin to turn on him, and he’ll be behind when it comes to proving himself for a wealthy second contract.

By the way, Bosa has missed tons of valuable time with his coaches and in the film room during camp and the preseason. He’s not going to be prepared whenever he makes his debut, and it’s going to hurt his on-field performance.

This likely is a battle Bosa’s not going to win. He has no NFL pedigree, no Pro Bowl seasons or monster sack numbers to bolster his case. He’s just a defensive end who had a nice college career. Bosa must sign and do it soon. His entitled attitude is pathetic.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2016/08/chargers-pul...uld-sign-asap/

This. Couldn't have stated the lst paragraph better. This is my feeling exactly.

[the Talking Can]

i think everyone understands that the chargers are assholes

the issue is why is Bosa deciding to be a martyr about it?


he can sign a flawed contract and still get his money...or not sign, and be a martyr for a cause that no one asked him to fight for

[Kiimo]

If anyone doesn't understand, please read this article, free from the long arm of the NFL propaganda machine.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ntract-dispute

That's why Bosa should point the finger of blame at his fellow players as well as at Chargers management. On multiple occasions the NFL Players Association has "strongly discouraged" agents from agreeing to contracts that include offset language, particularly in rookie deals, but each year the number of deals featuring that (and deferred money) increases.

At the root of this thread is another whole subconscious issue.

I don't get people siding with management over "spoiled rich" athletes. It's like you compare yourself and your own work ethic and your own salary with an athlete's and it makes you mad because he should be happy to get all that money for playing a game, right?

But what you really should be comparing yourself with is a billionaire owner who has screwed over countless people on his rise to the top penny pinching contracts and BS language to rob people magnitudes poorer than themselves in order to save a drop in the bucket of their fortunes.

[wazu]

Loving this. Hope Bosa becomes a cautionary tale.

[jjchieffan]

I really hope at this point that Bosa doesn't get signed. I hope that he re-enters next years draft and this situation knocks him completely out of the first round. See what kind of money he gets then! He will lose millions and he deserves it, The CBA set things up so that this wouldn't happen and it hasn't until now. He will be an example to all of these greedy agents not to play this game again.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I really hope at this point that Bosa doesn't get signed. I hope that he re-enters next years draft and this situation knocks him completely out of the first round. See what kind of money he gets then! He will lose millions and he deserves it, The CBA set things up so that this wouldn't happen and it hasn't until now. He will be an example to all of these greedy agents not to play this game again.

Uh... People don't realize this is the Chargers fault?

There was no negotiation even needed. All they had to do was give him the same deal all other top 5 picks have gotten since the new CBA.

They're the ones refusing to follow the standard. Not Bosa.
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[dls6501]

Originally Posted by -King-

Uh... People don't realize this is the Chargers fault?

No they dont. Its crazy.

[Kiimo]

Exactly and now the Chargers are doubling down on their ridiculous stance and saying his contract is only going to get smaller because they're going to pro-rate it based on him missing games because of his holdout while simultaneously running a smear campaign.

Fellow Gentlemen of Chiefs Planet. Follow your hearts, deep down you know that the true enemy is the San Diego Chargers.

[Kiimo]

Whether Bosa will be a bust or not is kind of beside the point.

The true point is that the Chargers are the most poorly run organization in the NFL. They're refusing to adhere to the norm with their top pick and they have a history of doing this. They ran Weddle off for no reason. They fire coaches who go 14-2. They tried to MOVE THEIR TEAM AWAY and managed to fail and now they're trying to convince the people of San Diego to vote yes on giving them a bunch of free money to build a stadium downtown like two months after they tried to ditch them on the curb for a hotter girl up north.

[Kiimo]

Also you're not getting shit over on CAA, they're easily the biggest, best and most powerful agency in Los Angeles. Their building looks like the goddam Death Star.

[ToxSocks]

"Fewer teams omit offset language, but some still do. The Rams, per a source with knowledge of the deal, removed offset language from the contract given to Jared Goff (pictured) at No. 1. Then again, the Rams annually have removed offset language for guaranteed money in rookie contracts, regardless of the spot in round one where the player was taken.

At No. 5, the Jaguars also removed offset language for cornerback Jalen Ramsey, consistent with the team’s habit when consistently picking in the top five (but not for much longer).

The only unsigned top-10 pick, Chargers defensive end Joey Bosa, is believed to be seeking no offset language as part of a standoff that caused him to skip mandatory minicamp. But while the fact that the No. 1 and No. 5 picks avoided it, the guys taken at No. 2 and No. 4 have it."