Anthony Lynn says Chargers are going back to Tyrod

[staylor26]

Anthony Lynn elaborating on why Tyrod Taylor is still his starter: "There's a lot we didn't get done with Justin on the field yesterday. He's a backup for a reason." #Chargers

— Daniel Popper (@danielrpopper) September 21, 2020

[dirk digler]

I heard some crazy stat the other day about Tyrod and wish I could find it but IIRC when he starts as QB the team averages like high single digits or low double digits in scoring. Rex Ryan even said he can't score enough and he coached him.

Just compare his performance against the Bungles to Herbert's. Tyrod was 16-30 for 208 yds while Herbert was 22-33 for 311 yds 1TD and 1 INT.

[teedubya]

Originally Posted by stevieray

That kid played a damn good game, and you're going to pull the rug out on him and throw him under the bus?

Where the Chiefs had to pull out an OT win at the last second?

Stupid.

Pretty much exactly what I was going to say. Herbert looked GREAT at times... definitely had flashes of brilliance. He gave me the feeling of... oh, the Chargers are going to be tough for a few years.

[Shoes]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

Don't tout Tyrod's TD to INT ratio, gives me Alex Smith flashbacks.

I thought Herbert played well all things considered but there were only 2 throws that I was really impressed with (Keenan Allen over the middle in tight coverage + the TD to the back cone). Pretty pedestrian 300 yard game, majority of his throws were to the half backs and screen game. Big stat that I thought was extremely important was that the Chiefs defense didn't force any negative yardage plays until the 3rd quarter I believe. Our defense made it really easy for the Chargers to stay ahead of the chains and on schedule.

In regards to Herbert/Tyrod I would actually agree I think it is a little too early for Herbert. If the Bolts defense can consistently play like they did Sunday, they can win with either quarterback. Give Herbert some more time to marinate, I suspect the difference of QB play between Tyrod/Herbert isn't that large.

Now if Herbert comes out and starts again next Sunday and has another terrific performance, perhaps my mind changes.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I heard some crazy stat the other day about Tyrod and wish I could find it but IIRC when he starts as QB the team averages like high single digits or low double digits in scoring. Rex Ryan even said he can't score enough.

Just compare his performance against the Bungles to Herbert's. Tyrod was 16-30 for 208 yds while Herbert was 22-33 for 311 yds 1TD and 1 INT.

Tyrod with 1 win.

Herbert with 1 loss.

The margins for error in the NFL are razor thin. That team is built around the defense. You simply cannot turn the ball over and expect to win and that's exactly what Herbert did.

People tend to forget that Alex Smith, with a good defense, won a playoff game for the Chiefs for the first time in two decades.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by teedubya

Pretty much exactly what I was going to say. Herbert looked GREAT at times... definitely had flashes of brilliance. He gave me the feeling of... oh, the Chargers are going to be tough for a few years.

Herbert had a couple of nice throws. I wouldn't say there were flashes of brilliance.

And the INT he threw was absolutely inexcusable.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

As Alex Smith got older he became a much more judicious pocket passer. Take away his legs and Alex could still beat you. I don't see that with tyrod. As he gets older the holes in his game just get bigger. Maybe he's different than what I saw in Cleveland. But it seemed to me that without his legs he becomes an even dinkier and dunkier version of Alex Smith. What does he still have left at 31 considering so much of his already mediocre game is built around running. I guess we'll find out.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I was cool with the decision to start Alex for one year. Alex is a way better QB than tyrod. Alex did actually give us an outside shot to win one, much as I was excited about Mahomes eventually taking over. It was respectful to Alex and made it easier to let him go. It took a ton of pressure off mahomes and Reid (Reid would have been crucified if mahomes wasn't nails from the get go). And in the end we ended up with great trade value. Theres quite a huge difference between replacing a franchise staple like Alex or Eli vs replacing a stopgap like Tyrod.

That's not even getting into mahomes being way more of a work in progress at the time.

The better example is the browns starting tyrod over baker a few years ago. They shouldn't have done that and arguably it could have costed them a playoff berth.

I think the idea that Mahomes was more of a work in progress has been pretty well established as a farce at this point. Even with the benefit of hindsight, his Broncos game makes it clear that his improvisational and playmaking abilities were simply innate.

But I'm not trying to discuss that sit/start decision at all - it's not germane here at all, IMO.

As for Taylor's performance in Cleveland - look at his career and tell me which season is the outlier. He played poorly in Cleveland but it was also well outside the trend he'd established as a starter the 3 seasons prior. Additionally, you cite the switch to Mayfield as the catalyst for the Browns improved performance, but let's not forget that the Browns went 1-4 w/ Baker Mayfield under center and Hugh Jackson as the HC (and Todd Haley as the OC). It wasn't until Greg Williams and Freddie Kitchens took the reigns that the Browns showed any life.

But a 1-1-1 record w/ Taylor is what kept them out of the playoffs? I think not. Especially not when the tie was to a Steelers team that started the season 7-2-1 and a 13-3 NOLA squad. No, starting Taylor made no impact on that playoff season. And ultimately Baker's lack of forward progress makes you question how much help he actually provided in that late season push to .500 for Cleveland.

Taylor was a good, solid, game-manager of a QB in Buffalo. That's who he'll be in SD. They can make the post-season with that, especially if Taylor acts as a band-aid that allows Herbert to gain a more fundamental understanding of the offense in the process.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Shoes

Don't tout Tyrod's TD to INT ratio, gives me Alex Smith flashbacks.

I thought Herbert played well all things considered but there were only 2 throws that I was really impressed with (Keenan Allen over the middle in tight coverage + the TD to the back cone). Pretty pedestrian 300 yard game, majority of his throws were to the half backs and screen game. Big stat that I thought was extremely important was that the Chiefs defense didn't force any negative yardage plays until the 3rd quarter I believe. Our defense made it really easy for the Chargers to stay ahead of the chains and on schedule.

And that TD was a throw that Taylor would've made as well. Fenton just completely ate shit on that coverage. That was as easy a pitch/catch as you'll find in the NFL.

Like I said - he made one genuinely good throw on Sunday. That throw to Allen was the only toss he made that Taylor wouldn't/couldn't have made.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I said this back when we had Smith - someone explain to me the difference between Tyrod Taylor and Alex Smith. They're the same damn guy.

The 2015 Chiefs after Charles went down are such a good analogue for that Chargers squad. A deep, talented secondary with a strong pass-rush and a dink/dunk offense led by a safe quarterback throwing to a technician of a WR (Maclin v. Allen) and an athletic TE (young Kelce vs. Henry).

The Chiefs used a backfield rotation of West/Ward (a poor man's Ekeler/Jackson) to complement their underneath passing and leaned into a strong defensive front to win 11 straight games, win a post-season game and at could've put a real scare into NE had Maclin been healthy and forced BB to be more honest in how he covered TK.

If you threw 2015 Alex Smith on the 2020 Chargers, they'd be a tough out. And in Tyrod Taylor that's almost exactly what you're doing. Moreover, Houston was hurt in 2015 and the Chiefs didn't have a Mike Williams. AND the Chargers RBs are quite a bit better than ours were. The Chargers almost certainly have more raw talent on both sides of the ball than the 2015 Chiefs had.

I just don't understand this idea that Herbert, who made two catastrophic rookie mistakes, is clearly going to be no worse than Taylor for the next several weeks. That's just not accurate. And by sitting him for a bit, you're not impacting his long-term development, especially in a season w/ a truncated off-season.

I was no fan of Alex but I would pick him 10 times out of 10 over Tyrod.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And that TD was a throw that Taylor would've made as well. Fenton just completely ate shit on that coverage. That was as easy a pitch/catch as you'll find in the NFL.

Like I said - he made one genuinely good throw on Sunday. That throw to Allen was the only toss he made that Taylor wouldn't/couldn't have made.

yep.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I was no fan of Alex but I would pick him 10 times out of 10 over Tyrod.

I'd hate to have to live off the difference either way.

They're DAMN similar.

I think the last 2 years of Alex Smith (and really the last 1 more than anything) has changed our perception of who he was in the first 3 seasons.

We're forgetting how painfully cautious he was. He had many/most of the same weaknesses as Taylor.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Tyrod with 1 win.

Herbert with 1 loss.

The margins for error in the NFL are razor thin. That team is built around the defense. You simply cannot turn the ball over and expect to win and that's exactly what Herbert did.

People tend to forget that Alex Smith, with a good defense, won a playoff game for the Chiefs for the first time in two decades.

Thanks to the refs because the Bungles got screwed.

His record in Buffalo when he started they were 7-6, 7-8, 8-6 which probably is ok by Lynn because he is medicore as well.

His only playoff game in 2017 he was 17-37 for 134 yds and 1 INT. This is basically his career stat line.

[Mile High Mania]

If he's not ready in their eyes, I can understand why... but, I thought he looked pretty good vs KC considering the circumstances. Tyrod - I dunno, he's just not the real deal in my opinion.

I might lean towards rolling with the rookie.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd hate to have to live off the difference either way.

They're DAMN similar.

I think the last 2 years of Alex Smith (and really the last 1 more than anything) has changed our perception of who he was in the first 3 seasons.

We're forgetting how painfully cautious he was. He had many/most of the same weaknesses as Taylor.

Oh I remember well lol and I was ready to move on from him asap. But he is still light years ahead of Tyrod as a QB IMVHO.

Listen I am ok with SD being content with ending up being 7-9, 8-8 this year. One less team to worry about.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

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