Chiefs What's up with Mecole Hardman? - Page 7

carcosa · 10-19-2020, 06:00 PM

Pringle was getting all the snaps down the stretch. Is he in the doghouse? (I'm only partially asking because I started him in fantasy thinking he'd get some looks with Watkins out)

Seems like he's regressed a lot this season, unfortunately...

Dante84 · 10-20-2020, 09:40 AM

Just for shits and giggles - and not that I want to - but I'm curious what kind of haul we could get for Hardman via trade, either player swap or draft capital.

Let's say, hypothetically, Veach/Reid/Mahomes/Toub haven't been as impressed with MH's development, know that he's probably peaked in terms of value, and teams are open to acquiring him. What could we get? What sort of contingencies would we need to account for with his departure?

htismaqe · 10-20-2020, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante84

Just for shits and giggles - and not that I want to - but I'm curious what kind of haul we could get for Hardman via trade, either player swap or draft capital.

Let's say, hypothetically, Veach/Reid/Mahomes/Toub haven't been as impressed with MH's development, know that he's probably peaked in terms of value, and teams are open to acquiring him. What could we get? What sort of contingencies would we need to account for with his departure?

He might bring a 4th but I'd be shocked if you could get higher than that. He's worth more than that to the team, despite his underwhelming play.

Dante84 · 10-20-2020, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He might bring a 4th but I'd be shocked if you could get higher than that. He's worth more than that to the team, despite his underwhelming play.

Agreed, I'd keep him for sure if that's all that was on the table.

PAChiefsGuy · 10-20-2020, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He might bring a 4th but I'd be shocked if you could get higher than that. He's worth more than that to the team, despite his underwhelming play.

No one is giving up a 4th for Hardman. You'll be lucky to get a 6th...

Hey what weed strain are you currently smoking? Must be some good shit.

TEX · 10-20-2020, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

All WR's on this team have to learn everybody else's roles. Hardman can run every route Hill can, at least in theory, or he won't play because that's Andy's rule.

If Hill were to go down, we absolutely would see Hardman having a greater role.

Exactly. See Raven's game last season.

**Shaid** · 10-20-2020, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Would people stop with this Hardman is a Hill replacement crap? Hardman is not Hill and never will be. Just because they both are fast doesnt make Hardman Hill. Hardman is a one-trick pony while WR Hill can beat you in so many different ways.

That said I'm not just ready to give up on Hardman but it doesn't look like he will anything more than a speed guy who will beat you on deep routes.

I'm not saying he is Hill, but routes like Wasp are routes that only a guy with Hill speed can do. That's what I'm saying. He's obviously not the same caliber of player but he can run those routes where you need that high end speed to stretch the defense. Call it a poor man's Hill if that makes you feel better.

htismaqe · 10-20-2020, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

No one is giving up a 4th for Hardman. You'll be lucky to get a 6th...

Hey what weed strain are you currently smoking? Must be some good shit.

Mecca · 10-20-2020, 10:39 AM

Hardman is not a refined route runner he's also in a deep and talented group, it happens.

KCJake · 10-20-2020, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Graystoke

Hardman is fine.
But I do like Pringle

This. End of thread

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-20-2020, 10:57 AM

Hardman really needed an intense offseason regimen of route running, building core strength and more reps with the entire offense in order to progress in 2020 and because of COVID-19, that did not occur.

I can understand why some people are down on him but it's hardly the end of the world.

The Chiefs have other receivers that can and have stepped up and Hardman will continue to learn and grow over the course of the season.

kcjayhawks5 · 10-20-2020, 11:00 AM

Hardman is fine. He’s young and having to work more than last year and is figuring it out. It’s his 2nd season in the league. He’s fine.

FloridaMan88 · 10-20-2020, 01:12 PM

Seems like the only route Hardman is consistent at is the deep post play which opposing teams are taking away with 8-man deep coverages.

Otherwise the only way to get him the ball are on bubble screens/jet sweeps, etc.

htismaqe · 10-20-2020, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Seems like the only route Hardman is consistent at is the deep post play which opposing teams are taking away with 8-man deep coverages.

Otherwise the only way to get him the ball are on bubble screens/jet sweeps, etc.

They use him in the running game the same way they use Tyreek.

htismaqe · 10-20-2020, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Hardman really needed an intense offseason regimen of route running, building core strength and more reps with the entire offense in order to progress in 2020 and because of COVID-19, that did not occur.

I can understand why some people are down on him but it's hardly the end of the world.

The Chiefs have other receivers that can and have stepped up and Hardman will continue to learn and grow over the course of the season.

He's a 2nd-year player with no offseason. Not sure what people expect really.

OKchiefs · 10-20-2020, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's a 2nd-year player with no offseason. Not sure what people expect really.

My expectation is that by next year we wouldn't be forced to use a top pick at WR in the draft. As it stands I don't see how you can avoid taking a wide receiver with the 1st or 2nd pick. That's fine, but we also likely have needs in that range at linebacker, OL, and maybe DL. It would be nice if Hardman could show anything at all to give the team confidence they could wait to take a receiver if necessary.

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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Hardman really needed an intense offseason regimen of route running, building core strength and more reps with the entire offense in order to progress in 2020 and because of COVID-19, that did not occur. I can understand why some people are down on him but it's hardly the end of the world. The Chiefs have other receivers that can and have stepped up and Hardman will continue to learn and grow over the course of the season.
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kcjayhawks5 Veteran Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $2325609	Hardman is fine. He’s young and having to work more than last year and is figuring it out. It’s his 2nd season in the league. He’s fine.
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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-657094	Seems like the only route Hardman is consistent at is the deep post play which opposing teams are taking away with 8-man deep coverages. Otherwise the only way to get him the ball are on bubble screens/jet sweeps, etc.
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