Chiefs Who do you MOST blame for the team's issues? - Page 7

**DaFace** · 10-11-2021, 09:23 AM

Do we need another thread to gripe about last night? Of course we do! So here's one more.

Pick an option or add your own.

treeguy27 · 10-11-2021, 12:31 PM

I absolutely believe there is some validity to the notion that the Britt Reid thing has affected the team. The team we saw take the field in the SB was not the same team we watched all year. It was way more than the poor O-line play. The entire team had no energy and no fire. I think it's possible that there is some disconnect between the players and coaches now. The coaches preach to the players constantly to be smart and stay out of trouble that can affect the team. Then one of the coaches goes out and does something incredibly stupid right before the SB. It's not a stretch to think the events of last season and how the SB went could be an issue in the building. The focus and attention to detail just isn't there this year.

jd1020 · 10-11-2021, 12:34 PM

Well since the question is MOST, meaning singular, then I can't blame the offense or anything to do with the play calling. And I can't single out a single player on defense because its ****ing everyone. So I guess that just leaves me with Spags can go **** himself.

**dirk digler** · 10-11-2021, 12:43 PM

For me it is definitely the defense specifically the D-Line. I get their strategy of paying the D-Line more money to get better players and spending less on the DB group as a whole. But if the players you are choosing\paying on the DLine aren't getting pressure your less quality DB's are going to look like shit. Which is exactly what is happening

JakeF · 10-11-2021, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by treeguy27

I absolutely believe there is some validity to the notion that the Britt Reid thing has affected the team. The team we saw take the field in the SB was not the same team we watched all year. It was way more than the poor O-line play. The entire team had no energy and no fire. I think it's possible that there is some disconnect between the players and coaches now. The coaches preach to the players constantly to be smart and stay out of trouble that can affect the team. Then one of the coaches goes out and does something incredibly stupid right before the SB. It's not a stretch to think the events of last season and how the SB went could be an issue in the building. The focus and attention to detail just isn't there this year.

What? I don't think the team gives a single **** about Britt Reid. The team has been sloppy this entire time. We've been coming from behind and winning by 6 points for a long time now. Mahomes has been making the 6 point difference. We have dumped so much on the shoulders of Mahomes that it's started to not be enough anymore.

There is only so much Mahomes can save Andy Reid from.

A few years ago the league was talking about KC as a Dynasty.

I still think it was a major mistake to fire John Dorsey. We went from 3 (Dorsey,Reid,Veach) guys making decisions to just 2 (Reid,Veach)guys. Reid has too much power, we need someone with a different perspective than Reid. Someone to stand up to Reid and tell him when he's wrong. Dorsey did and got fired for it. Veach is not doing that. We need a true GM, let Veach just do the Personnel dept.

There's a reason why most teams don't have the Head Coach deciding everything.

Otter · 10-11-2021, 12:49 PM

x-factor

**dirk digler** · 10-11-2021, 12:54 PM

I am also not discounting how bad our defensive coaching has been. Maybe some that is because we lack talent on that side of the ball.

But you ever noticed why Wade Phillips only lasts like 3 yrs as a D-Coordinator? It is because teams figure out his scheme and then it becomes useless. I think 3 years is probably the life span of a D-coordinator except for guys named Belichick.

DJ's left nut · 10-11-2021, 01:10 PM

The Chiefs problems are essentially my golf game at this point.

On every single play it's something different. And if you have one problem under control on this play, something else goes wrong.

If you have a consistent slice, you can play the slice and be okay. I feel like that's largely what the Chiefs defenses have done under Reid - understand their biggest issue and then scheme in a way to minimize it as best you can.

But right now there is no consistent slice. They'll slice the first one, hook the second, hit the third too thin and the 4th too thick. Then they'll overthink their mis-hit, select too much club and carry the green. Then the next time they'll try to adjust and use too little club and end up in the front bunker. Finally they'll try to play a slice, it hit razor straight OOB, break their driver in frustration and spend the rest of the day drinking in the cart.....I've said too much....

They're chasing everything right now and trying to correct so many variables simultaneously is just leading to new breakdowns on every play. They don't have a single firm, fixed variable they can try to work around because it's a different failure on every play.

They need at least a single reliable unit out there before they can begin to get a handle on this. The secondary, LBs or DL has to firm up and give them a starting point to address the other weaknesses. When the whole thing is built on shifting sands, there's just not much they can do to fix it.

louie aguiar · 10-11-2021, 01:24 PM

I blame a few factors:
1) Spags and the coaching - when people are running wide open and players aren't getting lined up, the coaching is responsible
2) missed draft picks - picks like Kpass, Speaks, DOD, Thornhill, Hardman and CEH were big misses
3) the trade of Frank Clark not only cost us a first-round pick but an enormous contract and he's giving us nothing
4) FA signings like Anthony Hitchens and Jarran Reed have backfired

Red Dawg · 10-11-2021, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

I blame a few factors:
1) Spags and the coaching - when people are running wide open and players aren't getting lined up, the coaching is responsible
2) missed draft picks - picks like Kpass, Speaks, DOD, Thornhill, Hardman and CEH were big misses
3) the trade of Frank Clark not only cost us a first-round pick but an enormous contract and he's giving us nothing
4) FA signings like Anthony Hitchens and Jarran Reed have backfired

Coaching? Players are more important than coaches and coaches are not on the field. Spags has three rings from being a DC so he is not some shit coach.
The rest is correct. Bad roster decisions and poor draft picks have caught up with us.

**ChiTown** · 10-11-2021, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Chiefs problems are essentially my golf game at this point.

On every single play it's something different. And if you have one problem under control on this play, something else goes wrong.

If you have a consistent slice, you can play the slice and be okay. I feel like that's largely what the Chiefs defenses have done under Reid - understand their biggest issue and then scheme in a way to minimize it as best you can.

But right now there is no consistent slice. They'll slice the first one, hook the second, hit the third too thin and the 4th too thick. Then they'll overthink their mis-hit, select too much club and carry the green. Then the next time they'll try to adjust and use too little club and end up in the front bunker. Finally they'll try to play a slice, it hit razor straight OOB, break their driver in frustration and spend the rest of the day drinking in the cart.....I've said too much....

They're chasing everything right now and trying to correct so many variables simultaneously is just leading to new breakdowns on every play. They don't have a single firm, fixed variable they can try to work around because it's a different failure on every play.

They need at least a single reliable unit out there before they can begin to get a handle on this. The secondary, LBs or DL has to firm up and give them a starting point to address the other weaknesses. When the whole thing is built on shifting sands, there's just not much they can do to fix it.

This is the correct answer

**The Franchise** · 10-11-2021, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Chiefs problems are essentially my golf game at this point.

On every single play it's something different. And if you have one problem under control on this play, something else goes wrong.

If you have a consistent slice, you can play the slice and be okay. I feel like that's largely what the Chiefs defenses have done under Reid - understand their biggest issue and then scheme in a way to minimize it as best you can.

But right now there is no consistent slice. They'll slice the first one, hook the second, hit the third too thin and the 4th too thick. Then they'll overthink their mis-hit, select too much club and carry the green. Then the next time they'll try to adjust and use too little club and end up in the front bunker. Finally they'll try to play a slice, it hit razor straight OOB, break their driver in frustration and spend the rest of the day drinking in the cart.....I've said too much....

They're chasing everything right now and trying to correct so many variables simultaneously is just leading to new breakdowns on every play. They don't have a single firm, fixed variable they can try to work around because it's a different failure on every play.

They need at least a single reliable unit out there before they can begin to get a handle on this. The secondary, LBs or DL has to firm up and give them a starting point to address the other weaknesses. When the whole thing is built on shifting sands, there's just not much they can do to fix it.

I just don’t know how you fix this any more this season.

The defensive line has the talent…it’s just underperforming. I guess you hope that they figure it out.

The linebackers might get better with Gay starting over Niemann but even then…if the line is shit…the LBs aren’t going to stay clean.

The DBs are better off than the other two groups if they could get rid of Sorenson and his mistakes.

louie aguiar · 10-11-2021, 01:45 PM

What happened to Tershawn Wharton? I bought into the hype that he was going to be a good player. Is he just undersized to hold up in the NFL?

**dirk digler** · 10-11-2021, 01:46 PM

Petro talking today that teams are bracketing Hill (duh) but putting their best DB's on Kelce because we don't have a reliable #2-#3 WR. Is anyone else seeing that? I never noticed that....

This is what Belichick did to us.

Sassy Squatch · 10-11-2021, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Petro talking today that teams are bracketing Hill (duh) but putting their best DB's on Kelce because we don't have a reliable #2-#3 WR. Is anyone else seeing that? I never noticed that....

This is what Belichick did to us.

That's why Watkins was so important. Just wish we would've gotten Robinson back then instead but eh, doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. If Gordon actually pans out that'd be nice.

Fishpicker · 10-11-2021, 01:55 PM

I chose DL, CBs, LBs.

although I think the problem should be labelled DL, DBs, LBs

so all 3 layers of the defense are at fault. Spags must take his share of the blame. Jones should never have been moved to DE. Other teams that have hired Spags have experienced this improvement/devolution phenomena. Our D personnel are underperforming. Spags is the coach with too cute a scheme. Reid/Bienemy can right the ship for our O. they aren't dumb. Spags, on the other hand, needs to become more aggressive. It doesn't matter if our dropback coverage is disguised when we never pressure the opp QB. If Spags insists on playing Sorenson, then he should be utilized as a coverage linebacker. Sorenson can be a playmaker so long as he isn't playing coverage on a WR 20+ yards deep.

I really want to see more Mathieu/Thornhill

View Poll Results: Who do you MOST blame for the team's issues? (pick up to three)
Mahomes has regressed	21	12.35%
Our RBs are JAGs	26	15.29%
The OTs aren't holding up	8	4.71%
We have no WR2	28	16.47%
Hill can't get open against Cover 2	7	4.12%
Andy has lost his touch	21	12.35%
EB sucks at calling plays	19	11.18%
The DL just plain sucks	76	44.71%
Chris Jones should never have been moved to DE	36	21.18%
Frank Clark's salary is weighing us down	32	18.82%
We have no legit CBs	15	8.82%
Our LBs can't stop anything.	66	38.82%
Daniel Sorensen. Enough said.	61	35.88%
They refuse to play Thornhill	17	10.00%
Teams have solved Spags' defense	35	20.59%
Veach sucks	12	7.06%
Create your own adventure! (add in the thread)	13	7.65%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 170. You may not vote on this poll

10-11-2021, 09:23 AM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-1683101	Who do you MOST blame for the team's issues? Do we need another thread to gripe about last night? Of course we do! So here's one more. Pick an option or add your own.
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10-11-2021, 12:31 PM	#91
treeguy27 Starter Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $720400	I absolutely believe there is some validity to the notion that the Britt Reid thing has affected the team. The team we saw take the field in the SB was not the same team we watched all year. It was way more than the poor O-line play. The entire team had no energy and no fire. I think it's possible that there is some disconnect between the players and coaches now. The coaches preach to the players constantly to be smart and stay out of trouble that can affect the team. Then one of the coaches goes out and does something incredibly stupid right before the SB. It's not a stretch to think the events of last season and how the SB went could be an issue in the building. The focus and attention to detail just isn't there this year.
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10-11-2021, 12:34 PM	#92
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7042645	Well since the question is MOST, meaning singular, then I can't blame the offense or anything to do with the play calling. And I can't single out a single player on defense because its **ing everyone. So I guess that just leaves me with Spags can go ** himself.
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10-11-2021, 12:43 PM	#93
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $214644	For me it is definitely the defense specifically the D-Line. I get their strategy of paying the D-Line more money to get better players and spending less on the DB group as a whole. But if the players you are choosing\paying on the DLine aren't getting pressure your less quality DB's are going to look like shit. Which is exactly what is happening
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10-11-2021, 12:54 PM	#96
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $214644	I am also not discounting how bad our defensive coaching has been. Maybe some that is because we lack talent on that side of the ball. But you ever noticed why Wade Phillips only lasts like 3 yrs as a D-Coordinator? It is because teams figure out his scheme and then it becomes useless. I think 3 years is probably the life span of a D-coordinator except for guys named Belichick.
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10-11-2021, 01:10 PM	#97
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-660901	The Chiefs problems are essentially my golf game at this point. On every single play it's something different. And if you have one problem under control on this play, something else goes wrong. If you have a consistent slice, you can play the slice and be okay. I feel like that's largely what the Chiefs defenses have done under Reid - understand their biggest issue and then scheme in a way to minimize it as best you can. But right now there is no consistent slice. They'll slice the first one, hook the second, hit the third too thin and the 4th too thick. Then they'll overthink their mis-hit, select too much club and carry the green. Then the next time they'll try to adjust and use too little club and end up in the front bunker. Finally they'll try to play a slice, it hit razor straight OOB, break their driver in frustration and spend the rest of the day drinking in the cart.....I've said too much.... They're chasing everything right now and trying to correct so many variables simultaneously is just leading to new breakdowns on every play. They don't have a single firm, fixed variable they can try to work around because it's a different failure on every play. They need at least a single reliable unit out there before they can begin to get a handle on this. The secondary, LBs or DL has to firm up and give them a starting point to address the other weaknesses. When the whole thing is built on shifting sands, there's just not much they can do to fix it. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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10-11-2021, 01:24 PM	#98
louie aguiar MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Missoura Casino cash: $513533	I blame a few factors: 1) Spags and the coaching - when people are running wide open and players aren't getting lined up, the coaching is responsible 2) missed draft picks - picks like Kpass, Speaks, DOD, Thornhill, Hardman and CEH were big misses 3) the trade of Frank Clark not only cost us a first-round pick but an enormous contract and he's giving us nothing 4) FA signings like Anthony Hitchens and Jarran Reed have backfired
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10-11-2021, 01:45 PM	#102
louie aguiar MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Missoura Casino cash: $513533	What happened to Tershawn Wharton? I bought into the hype that he was going to be a good player. Is he just undersized to hold up in the NFL?
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10-11-2021, 01:46 PM	#103
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $214644	Petro talking today that teams are bracketing Hill (duh) but putting their best DB's on Kelce because we don't have a reliable #2-#3 WR. Is anyone else seeing that? I never noticed that.... This is what Belichick did to us.
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10-11-2021, 01:55 PM	#105
Fishpicker On one quarter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: I play all day Casino cash: $637111	I chose DL, CBs, LBs. although I think the problem should be labelled DL, DBs, LBs so all 3 layers of the defense are at fault. Spags must take his share of the blame. Jones should never have been moved to DE. Other teams that have hired Spags have experienced this improvement/devolution phenomena. Our D personnel are underperforming. Spags is the coach with too cute a scheme. Reid/Bienemy can right the ship for our O. they aren't dumb. Spags, on the other hand, needs to become more aggressive. It doesn't matter if our dropback coverage is disguised when we never pressure the opp QB. If Spags insists on playing Sorenson, then he should be utilized as a coverage linebacker. Sorenson can be a playmaker so long as he isn't playing coverage on a WR 20+ yards deep. I really want to see more Mathieu/Thornhill __________________ A person who has been [ideologically] demoralized cannot assess true information. the [demoralization] process is complete and irreversible. -Yuri Bezmenov on Soviet Subversion
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