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Old 03-30-2023, 12:55 PM  
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Who's gonna take Anthony Richardson..who's gonna do it?








This is so boom or bust but god damn that pure athletic ability is just crazy...
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Old 03-31-2023, 11:08 AM   #91
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Stroud is insanely accurate and 6'3

Despite a certain someone saying how accurate Tua is I think Stroud is more like Drew Brees without a height issue.
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Old 03-31-2023, 11:12 AM   #92
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What is pushing Richardson more than anything is Young and Stroud are not slam dunks.
Right.

In any other year, these guys would be farther down the list but they're being pushed up by the seeming lack of blue-chip quality at the top.
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I think Stroud has the safest floor, for sure.

But man, I don't see much ceiling there.

Then again, if you have a top 10-12 QB, especially on a rookie deal, you're in really good shape.

But if you take Stroud over Richardson or even Levis, you're kinda doing something similar to what the Bears did when they took Trubisky over Mahomes. And no, it's not because I think they are similar prospects, but it's because both Levis and Richardson are the 'ceiling' picks in this draft, IMO.

Stroud and Young are guys you take more for their floor and lower volatility. Because of Richardson has so damn much volatility, I won't even say that's a bad decision. But it's the same sort of thought process that completely led to the Bears committing the modern equivalent of Bowie over Jordan.

(Side note: Jordan, Olajuwon, Stockton and Barkley all came out of that '84 draft - sweet jesus)
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Stroud is insanely accurate and 6'3

Despite a certain someone saying how accurate Tua is I think Stroud is more like Drew Brees without a height issue.
I like Stroud but it sounds like you're putting him in the HOF already.


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Richardson and Levis, Levis especially played with a lot of guys who aren't that good...

Meanwhile we got CJ Stroud throwing to like 4 first round picks, an entire OL of NFL players...
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I kinda feel like Levis is the best combination of ceiling and floor. Somewhere between Stroud's marginal arm talent and Richardson's disinterest in actually operating an offense is Levis.

This draft is gonna get a couple dudes fired, IMO. Hard to say who it will be. But if you pass on Richardson and he harnesses the tools while Young becomes, I dunno, Jimmy G - that's gonna cost you your job.

The only person that I think ends up truly safe is the GM who takes the last of these guys at 5th overall or later. Because if 3 of them and Anderson are off the board, no matter what happens, I think you have plenty of cover.
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I think Stroud has the safest floor, for sure.

But man, I don't see much ceiling there.

Then again, if you have a top 10-12 QB, especially on a rookie deal, you're in really good shape.

But if you take Stroud over Richardson or even Levis, you're kinda doing something similar to what the Bears did when they took Trubisky over Mahomes. And no, it's not because I think they are similar prospects, but it's because both Levis and Richardson are the 'ceiling' picks in this draft, IMO.

Stroud and Young are guys you take more for their floor and lower volatility. Because of Richardson has so damn much volatility, I won't even say that's a bad decision. But it's the same sort of thought process that completely led to the Bears committing the modern equivalent of Bowie over Jordan.

(Side note: Jordan, Olajuwon, Stockton and Barkley all came out of that '84 draft - sweet jesus)
Couldn't agree more which is why I could see Richardson go high and possibly be the #1 pick.
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CJ Stroud gonna show up to camp and be like...wow my college offense had more talent.
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I think Stroud has the safest floor, for sure.

But man, I don't see much ceiling there.


I know you won't, but if you were to watch this whole thing you would see where I'm coming from.


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Stroud's marginal arm talent .
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I know you won't, but if you were to watch this whole thing you would see where I'm coming from.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JCbPuQu1ps
Yea his pro day is great, Richardsons looks like an alien.

My questions with Stroud are simple, is he maxed out, is he basically a guy who ends up like the 10th best QB in the league and how does he react when he plays with less talent because being honest here...

After his career has been throwing to JSN, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave and Marvin Harrison Jr, his NFL team is gonna have worse weapons.
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If we didn't have Mahomes and we had the top pick I'd be going insane banging on the table for Stroud.

Accuracy is the most important aspect in a QB if you want to win a Super Bowl. Processing speed is probably second. Arm strength and running ability is like, five or six ranks lower.
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If we didn't have Mahomes and we had the top pick I'd be going insane banging on the table for Stroud.

Accuracy is the most important aspect in a QB if you want to win a Super Bowl. Processing speed is probably second. Arm strength and running ability is like, five or six ranks lower.
Arm strength has been called overrated for so long that it's become wildly underrated.

A weak arm means you have to nut up to drive a ball into a window as it closes and when you nut up, you're less accurate. As those windows get tighter and the maelstrom more intense at the next level, you need arm strength to fit balls in there. And when you're a QB with marginal arm strength, many of those balls get deflected.

And that's to say nothing of the time involved. I've done this math 'round here before but the difference between an elite arm (Mahomes) and an average arm (Watson) when throwing something as routine as a 15 yard out becomes something along the lines of .15 seconds. Now if you're a WR that runs a 4.45 you're a pretty fast WR. If you run a 4.6 you might just be a UDFA.

So what good does all that speed do you if your QB gives it all back by throwing a slow-ball on an out route? That .15 seconds is an eternity for NFL DBs. That's not just enough to get a hand on it - it could be enough to house the damn thing.

Mentioning arm strength in the same breath as running ability is folly. Additionally, mentioning accuracy in game action as though it's completely independent of arm strength is likewise mistaken.

Citing Brees is like citing Maddux - citing the exceptions that prove the rule don't get you anywhere. To be a great QB you need at least a good NFL arm. Not average and damn sure not below average. Because when it counts and you NEED that ball that Mahomes threw over the middle to MVS against Cincy with a collapsing pocket and no base, no amount of accuracy or processing speed in the world will get it there. Those will give you the wherewithal to make the throw but only arm strength will give you the ability.
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BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE A WEAK ARM


he threw 59mph. Mahomes was 62, you're acting like he has a Watson 48




edit: but I will admit that Richardson's 69mph is astounding.
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he threw 59mph. Mahomes was 62, you're acting like he has a Watson 48
Well I'm not the one that invoked Brees here.

If he can put some hair on the ball then why we talking Brees unless you think Stroud is arguably the most mechanically precise passer to ever live.

Besides, my point was largely general anyway.
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