Chiefs A Level Headed Review Week 2 2023 - Page 7

DenverChief · 09-17-2023, 03:33 PM

1. Chris Jones return was huge for the Defense. 1.5 Sacks, 2 QB Hits and 1 Pass Defensed. FAU, Danna and Karlaftis showed up huge in QB sacks and pressures. Lawrence was very uncomfortable in the pocket on many drives. Chenal showed up clutch on a few plays most notably not being fooled by the screen pass on 2nd and ten that led to the third and long before Jax turned the ball over on downs.

2. The offense looked much better today, catching the ball, RUNNING THE BALL!. On 3rd and short handing off to Pacheco on the inside rush for a first down instead of trying to be cute. Smash the football down their throat - Pacheco can get you one yard. Toney and Moore atoned for their drops 5/5 for 35 yards and 3/4 for 70 yards and TD respectively. The Jax defense is a good defense, while we didn't play perfect and still have A LOT of room for improvement we definitely ironed out some of the more fixable problems.

3. Jawaan Taylor - this is going to be an ongoing issue with the refs I'm afraid - PTW seemed solid in relief. I'm not sure what to do here bench him and play PTW? Try and trade him? I don't know what the answer is - if he can't figure out his alignment and make his kick out closer to the snap - we can't keep hurting our offense with silly penalties.

4. Travis didn't quite seem himself today - I'm sure the knee is still bothering him. But a hobbled Travis is still better than no Travis.....just like Mahomes. Mahomes on one leg is still a damn good QB. Hopefully he can get healed fast. We are going to need him at 100% to get our offense fully back on track. Love the Kelce punt out of the end zone after his TD. Classic Travis.

5. Pacheco looked like Pacheco again 12 Carries for 70 Yards and 5.8 yd average. I love his running style and that 31 yard rip was a thing of beauty. I just wish he could have put it over the goal at the end of the game for a nice cherry on top of his running day.

6. Justin Watson was clutch again. All this guy does is catch critical passes. Not my favorite WR but he I is definitely a lunch pail guy ready to work. His fumble was just good work on the DB part.

7. I do feel like everyone is still running in sand - there is just no explosiveness yet - not sure if it's still knocking the rust off of the offseason or what. I would expect next week we will see a much more crisp game with our offense. This would have technically been week 1 this week.

8.The James fumble. He just lost it in the Sun. Period. That is gonna happen. While I think he needs to improve on offense I'm not worried about his KO/PR skills. Maybe he should have let it go IDK but is Toub is worried about it I'll let him address it.

Marcellus · 09-18-2023, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

My “take” was a question. Not a statement, a “take” or any other factual comment. It was designed to spur conversation not critique. You are having a massive over reaction to a question.

Regardless of how long he has been playing …the NFL could decide it’s not right and make the Chiefs lives miserable with penalties. The question was if an adjustment couldn’t be made acceptably (by the NFL) what do we do? That’s it. Nothing more nothing less. Stop reading into things.

I thought we were supposed to be having a level headed discussion? Why couldn't he make the necessary adjustments, why is that even a question?

Here is some data for you from his career. (stolen from an Athletic article)

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Taylor’s struggles a surprise
The Jaguars’ 2019 second-round pick yielded a 3.3 percent pressure rate and one sack during Weeks 14-18 last season. The average rate for tackles sat at 5.5 percent during that span, so Taylor kept Trevor Lawrence well-protected. Taylor should be doing the same for Patrick Mahomes.

And even though this is more about the stretch run of last season, just one more set of numbers to prove Taylor’s significance and improvement. Taylor’s 2.5 percent pressure rate allowed last season ranked fourth among all tackles (left or right), continuing a trend of steady growth. Here’s a look at Taylor’s pressure rates over the past three seasons:

2020: 8.0 percent (fifth worst among tackles)
2021: 4.8 percent
2022: 2.5 percent
So his struggles through two weeks have been a bit baffling. — Holder

Simply Red · 09-18-2023, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain

McDuffie is such a shutdown dawg. Him and Cook are the catalysts of the secondary.

Dude is a dog

crispystl · 09-18-2023, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon

I think the holding calls were still targeting him, I think because they couldn’t throw a flag for a false start or lining up wrong they were throwing holding flags as retaliation anyways. Jags were holding way more blatantly and being praised by the announcers for it.

On like the 3rd play of the game on of the offensive lineman freaking clotheslined Chris Jones right in front of the ref and nobody said shit. It was blatant as hell and had a huge effect on the play.

DenverChief · 09-18-2023, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I thought we were supposed to be having a level headed discussion? Why couldn't he make the necessary adjustments, why is that even a question?

Here is some data for you from his career. (stolen from an Athletic article)

A level headed discussion does not include telling someone their over reacting. Either you aren’t married or your divorced if you think talking to someone like that will induce love and affection.

That data has nothing to do with the NFL putting a target on his back for not aligning properly or “false starting” with his legal kick backs. I don’t know why the refs do some of the things they do but it becomes pretty glaring when the team is super successful that anything that is “out of the norm” is heavily scrutinized for the successful team and not others.

**HemiEd** · 09-18-2023, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

I agree with almost all of this - the Kelce stuff is just Kelce being Kelce - I don't think this is a regression, I think it's his way of getting his team fired up. If it continues into other games and starts to negatively impact the team it will be concerning - until then....

I blame the Kelce stuff on Taylor Swift. If she would give it up he would have some tension relieved.

scho63 · 09-18-2023, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Also, how the **** was that not OPI when the receiver literally tackled Cook? Holy shit was a ridiculous non call.

Cook was raped.

**wazu** · 09-18-2023, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

On 3rd and short handing off to Pacheco on the inside rush for a first down instead of trying to be cute. Smash the football down their throat - Pacheco can get you one yard.

This was a top 3 moment of the day for me. Just run the ball there! We have this badass interior OL and a relentless, hard-nosed RB. We now have the crew to just impose our will on the defense and get that yard. DO IT!

**HemiEd** · 09-18-2023, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by crispystl

On like the 3rd play of the game on of the offensive lineman freaking clotheslined Chris Jones right in front of the ref and nobody said shit. It was blatant as hell and had a huge effect on the play.

Yeah, I remember that and was pretty pissed about it. The officiating was horrible.

Oh, and why in the heck was Trent Green not doing the Chiefs game instead of the bafoon that was?

JPH83 · 09-18-2023, 03:06 PM

Some PFF grades if of interest. I'll focus on the ones I agree with obviously

C. Jones - 92 - holy s*** just pay the guy whatever he wants.
McDuffie - 80 (coverage was 90) - Stud
Chenal - 76 - Uber Chad
Karlaftis - 70 - Nice
FAU - 69 - Reeeal nice

Worst score was Bryan Cook, the rest they were meh on largely but had some love for Turk and they also recognised a better game from Nnadi. Seemed to think our LBs and corners outside of McDuffie struggled in coverage. Definitely agree on the LBs and thought Sneed started badly but rallied.

Mahomes was a 78 but passing of only 69, which let's be honest we all saw.
Pacheco - 74 - he's back
Rice - 70 - slice of nice
Toney - 70 - mini bounce back

They reckon D Smith was a 62 but almost 80 for pass blocking. Did not think he was that good, huh, maybe I'll watch again.

Everyone else was bad pretty much, oh they thought Gray was decent and T Smith was better than Thuney and Creed who had some of their worst games.

Hammock Parties · 09-18-2023, 03:08 PM

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RaidersOftheCellar · 09-18-2023, 03:48 PM

The pessimist in me says "We finally have a legit defense and now the offense is falling off." But the optimist usually wins out. I think that was actually a pretty solid offensive performance outside of the penalties. No one facing that many penalties is going to consistently score against a good team on the road.

I never get too worried about mental errors with a Reid team. It's never a consistent issue on his teams.

I'd much rather see the offense struggle than the D, because we know that a team led by Reid/Mahomes/Kelce is going to figure it out. And with this defense, they may not even need to be elite.

trndobrd · 09-18-2023, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

This was a top 3 moment of the day for me. Just run the ball there! We have this badass interior OL and a relentless, hard-nosed RB. We now have the crew to just impose our will on the defense and get that yard. DO IT!

I jumped up out of the recliner and cheered on that play. Best interior O-line in the NFL and hard nosed RB= 1st down Kansas City.

It helps that no team will EVER completely sell out to stop the short yardage run against an Andy Reid coached team w/ Mahomes at QB.

09-17-2023, 03:33 PM
DenverChief Pedantic Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $3072617	A Level Headed Review Week 2 2023 1. Chris Jones return was huge for the Defense. 1.5 Sacks, 2 QB Hits and 1 Pass Defensed. FAU, Danna and Karlaftis showed up huge in QB sacks and pressures. Lawrence was very uncomfortable in the pocket on many drives. Chenal showed up clutch on a few plays most notably not being fooled by the screen pass on 2nd and ten that led to the third and long before Jax turned the ball over on downs. 2. The offense looked much better today, catching the ball, RUNNING THE BALL!. On 3rd and short handing off to Pacheco on the inside rush for a first down instead of trying to be cute. Smash the football down their throat - Pacheco can get you one yard. Toney and Moore atoned for their drops 5/5 for 35 yards and 3/4 for 70 yards and TD respectively. The Jax defense is a good defense, while we didn't play perfect and still have A LOT of room for improvement we definitely ironed out some of the more fixable problems. 3. Jawaan Taylor - this is going to be an ongoing issue with the refs I'm afraid - PTW seemed solid in relief. I'm not sure what to do here bench him and play PTW? Try and trade him? I don't know what the answer is - if he can't figure out his alignment and make his kick out closer to the snap - we can't keep hurting our offense with silly penalties. 4. Travis didn't quite seem himself today - I'm sure the knee is still bothering him. But a hobbled Travis is still better than no Travis.....just like Mahomes. Mahomes on one leg is still a damn good QB. Hopefully he can get healed fast. We are going to need him at 100% to get our offense fully back on track. Love the Kelce punt out of the end zone after his TD. Classic Travis. 5. Pacheco looked like Pacheco again 12 Carries for 70 Yards and 5.8 yd average. I love his running style and that 31 yard rip was a thing of beauty. I just wish he could have put it over the goal at the end of the game for a nice cherry on top of his running day. 6. Justin Watson was clutch again. All this guy does is catch critical passes. Not my favorite WR but he I is definitely a lunch pail guy ready to work. His fumble was just good work on the DB part. 7. I do feel like everyone is still running in sand - there is just no explosiveness yet - not sure if it's still knocking the rust off of the offseason or what. I would expect next week we will see a much more crisp game with our offense. This would have technically been week 1 this week. 8.The James fumble. He just lost it in the Sun. Period. That is gonna happen. While I think he needs to improve on offense I'm not worried about his KO/PR skills. Maybe he should have let it go IDK but is Toub is worried about it I'll let him address it.
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09-18-2023, 03:06 PM	#99
JPH83 Veteran Join Date: Feb 2021 Casino cash: $-269600	Some PFF grades if of interest. I'll focus on the ones I agree with obviously C. Jones - 92 - holy s*** just pay the guy whatever he wants. McDuffie - 80 (coverage was 90) - Stud Chenal - 76 - Uber Chad Karlaftis - 70 - Nice FAU - 69 - Reeeal nice Worst score was Bryan Cook, the rest they were meh on largely but had some love for Turk and they also recognised a better game from Nnadi. Seemed to think our LBs and corners outside of McDuffie struggled in coverage. Definitely agree on the LBs and thought Sneed started badly but rallied. Mahomes was a 78 but passing of only 69, which let's be honest we all saw. Pacheco - 74 - he's back Rice - 70 - slice of nice Toney - 70 - mini bounce back They reckon D Smith was a 62 but almost 80 for pass blocking. Did not think he was that good, huh, maybe I'll watch again. Everyone else was bad pretty much, oh they thought Gray was decent and T Smith was better than Thuney and Creed who had some of their worst games. Last edited by JPH83; 09-18-2023 at 03:07 PM.. Reason: Typo
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09-18-2023, 03:08 PM	#100
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09-18-2023, 03:48 PM	#101
RaidersOftheCellar MVP Join Date: Sep 2016 Casino cash: $-689600	The pessimist in me says "We finally have a legit defense and now the offense is falling off." But the optimist usually wins out. I think that was actually a pretty solid offensive performance outside of the penalties. No one facing that many penalties is going to consistently score against a good team on the road. I never get too worried about mental errors with a Reid team. It's never a consistent issue on his teams. I'd much rather see the offense struggle than the D, because we know that a team led by Reid/Mahomes/Kelce is going to figure it out. And with this defense, they may not even need to be elite.
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