The Netflix Favre Doc is out

[Mecca]

They really don't hold back all that much, they have people from every level of his career back to high school talking about what a pile of shit the guy was...

[DJ's left nut]

This kinda reminds me a bit of the George W. Bush days.

"He's a dumb hick that doesn't know how to tie his own shoes!!!"

"He masterminded the greatest coverup in US history while simultaneously playing 5D chess to push us towards war to benefit his Defense and Energy buddies!!!!"

I mean I think Favre is a moron who understands football. That's where I started. I think the league has had a fair number of stupid people who see the game incredibly well somehow.

But those guys probably can't balance a checkbook and they sweat when they read.

I think it's probably more likely than not that Brett Favre was someone's useful idiot. What better sort than a celebrity who's certainly not known as an intellectually curious sort.

Might he need to face some retribution for being THAT gullible? Sure - probably. But am I going to jump all the way to him being a mastermind of some multi-tier welfare fraud scheme? Or even having more than a passing understanding that something along those lines might even exist? Nah.

If you want to call that willful ignorance and castigate him for it -- I get it. It's perhaps a fair conclusion. I just can't get all the way to malicious.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This kinda reminds me a bit of the George W. Bush days.

"He's a dumb hick that doesn't know how to tie his own shoes!!!"

"He masterminded the greatest coverup in US history while simultaneously playing 5D chess to push us towards war to benefit his Defense and Energy buddies!!!!"

I mean I think Favre is a moron who understands football. That's where I started. I think the league has had a fair number of stupid people who see the game incredibly well somehow.

But those guys probably can't balance a checkbook and they sweat when they read.

I think it's probably more likely than not that Brett Favre was someone's useful idiot. What better sort than a celebrity who's certainly not known as an intellectually curious sort.

Might he need to face some retribution for being THAT gullible? Sure - probably. But am I going to jump all the way to him being a mastermind of some multi-tier welfare fraud scheme? Or even having more than a passing understanding that something along those lines might even exist? Nah.

If you want to call that willful ignorance and castigate him for it -- I get it. It's perhaps a fair conclusion. I just can't get all the way to malicious.

I worked with a college football team.

Some of the brightest football minds, guys who would understand concepts immediately, often struggled remembering anything in the classroom. Some of it was interest but most of it revolved around how they learned. They were doers not readers.

[kccrow]

I watched it...

Spoiler, I guess, in case someone cares...

Spoiler!

a large part of the piece primarily focused on Favre sending Jennifer Sterger a dick pick and his relentless pursuit of her while with the Jets. It follows to include her telling the lead editor at Deadspin, A.J. Daulerio, a couple of years later. He then used her and released the story against her will. He still made money, but it absolutely destroyed her career.

The rest of it focuses on the welfare funds ordeal. What really gets you is the fact that he tries to cover up having any knowledge that the funds were being misappropriated from a welfare funding source, enough to give 2,000 people TANF funding for an entire year. He even asks New about getting in some serous shit about it. It's pretty classic.

I don't really feel bad for the guy getting shit on hard for this one, nor the Sterger component. He deserves it. The issue with the Sterger piece is it's 16 years too late, and the story came out 2 years too late.

Jamele Hill is mostly a commenter on how terrible Favre was and all he did wrong, which adds nothing

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The money belonged to the Mississippi taxpayers.

Seems odd that defrauding taxpayers is okay in some cases but not in others.

To my knowledge none of this has been proven in a court of law

Its still America, innocent until proven guilty right?

[Megatron96]

This thread is why I avoid knowing about player's personal lives as much as possible. Or actors or whoever. All I ever needed to know about my team and its players has always been centered exclusively around what they did on the field. just easier that way.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

To my knowledge none of this has been proven in a court of law

Its still America, innocent until proven guilty right?

Hes literally on a phone call saying "no one will know about this right"

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

To my knowledge none of this has been proven in a court of law

Its still America, innocent until proven guilty right?

Oh I don't think there's any question that he's not gonna go to jail over it. They didn't even bother charging him when they nailed some other guy's ass to the wall (gave him like 30 years, IIRC).

But I think it's fair to create a distinction between what can be proven in court and what we think might've actually happened here in determining how much we individually are willing to hold that behavior against him.

So I don't mind the speculation much. It's a worthwhile conversation to have.

Though I do take some umbrage with the inflating of the damages -- he was at least tangentially involved in a scheme that defrauded MS of $70 million. That's MUCH different than "he defrauded MS of $70 million". It would appear he had no knowledge of any 'big picture' stuff and, at worst, may have knowingly been involved in about 10% of the total amount. So I'd tap the brakes on some of that rhetoric.

I'll also recognize the absurdity of tagging 'only' onto "6-8 million of taxpayer money..."

But when a slew of folks went to jail over it and Favre wasn't even charged, that means something. And when he was pursued civilly (which can be done without proving any sort of malicious or fraudulent intent) it certainly suggests that MS isn't just protecting a favorite son.

So I think there's a lot less substance to some of this than has been suggested.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Hes literally on a phone call saying "no one will know about this right"

That's where I get to 'willfully ignorant'

I think that call can establish that he knew SOMETHING was odd. But not exactly what or how odd it was. Or how broad.

And if anything it would also suggest a fairly large amount of ignorance as to the mechanics of the 'machine' writ large.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Hes literally on a phone call saying "no one will know about this right"

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh I don't think there's any question that he's not gonna go to jail over it. They didn't even bother charging him when they nailed some other guy's ass to the wall (gave him like 30 years, IIRC).

But I think it's fair to create a distinction between what can be proven in court and what we think might've actually happened here in determining how much we individually are willing to hold that behavior against him.

So I don't mind the speculation much. It's a worthwhile conversation to have.

Though I do take some umbrage with the inflating of the damages -- he was at least tangentially involved in a scheme that defrauded MS of $70 million. That's MUCH different than "he defrauded MS of $70 million". It would appear he had no knowledge of any 'big picture' stuff and, at worst, may have knowingly been involved in about 10% of the total amount. So I'd tap the brakes on some of that rhetoric.

I'll also recognize the absurdity of tagging 'only' onto "6-8 million of taxpayer money..."

But when a slew of folks went to jail over it and Favre wasn't even charged, that means something. And when he was pursued civilly (which can be done without proving any sort of malicious or fraudulent intent) it certainly suggests that MS isn't just protecting a favorite son.

So I think there's a lot less substance to some of this than has been suggested.

Meh, I'm still at...

He didn't kill anyone, didn't torture animals to death, and never beat anyone bloody in some stupid drunken incident

Whatever his possible - and again, unproven in a court of law - culpability in the lesser ends of this scandal may be, its not enough set my outrage meter on 10

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh I don't think there's any question that he's not gonna go to jail over it. They didn't even bother charging him when they nailed some other guy's ass to the wall (gave him like 30 years, IIRC).

But I think it's fair to create a distinction between what can be proven in court and what we think might've actually happened here in determining how much we individually are willing to hold that behavior against him.

So I don't mind the speculation much. It's a worthwhile conversation to have.

Though I do take some umbrage with the inflating of the damages -- he was at least tangentially involved in a scheme that defrauded MS of $70 million. That's MUCH different than "he defrauded MS of $70 million". It would appear he had no knowledge of any 'big picture' stuff and, at worst, may have knowingly been involved in about 10% of the total amount. So I'd tap the brakes on some of that rhetoric.

I'll also recognize the absurdity of tagging 'only' onto "6-8 million of taxpayer money..."

But when a slew of folks went to jail over it and Favre wasn't even charged, that means something. And when he was pursued civilly (which can be done without proving any sort of malicious or fraudulent intent) it certainly suggests that MS isn't just protecting a favorite son.

So I think there's a lot less substance to some of this than has been suggested.

He's a lot more involved than you think as well.
$5 million went to building the new volleyball complex at Southern Miss directly, not to Favre, while his daughter was playing there at the request of Favre to New. 1.1m went to Favre directly to make speeches on concussions and CTE, etc. Another, 1.7m went to Prevacus, the drug company Favre owns with Jacob VanLandingham, but VanLandingham used that money personally.

Favre returned his 1.1m without interest. Everyone in connection has been charged with fraud except for... Favre. All of that 8 or so million was directly per Favre's involvement. That's a lot to claim innocence against.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Meh, I'm still at...

He didn't kill anyone, didn't torture animals to death, and never beat anyone bloody in some stupid drunken incident

Whatever his possible - and again, unproven in a court of law - culpability in the lesser ends of this scandal may be, its not enough set my outrage meter on 10

How do you feel about LeBron James?

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Hong Kong LeBron*

[Delano]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Meh, I'm still at...

He didn't kill anyone, didn't torture animals to death, and never beat anyone bloody in some stupid drunken incident

Whatever his possible - and again, unproven in a court of law - culpability in the lesser ends of this scandal may be, its not enough set my outrage meter on 10

Here’s an example of a slippery slope in action. Guy absolutely worships one grifter and now he’s licking the boot of every grifter. Is it projection? Do you wanna get in on the grift action or have you already?

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Delano

Here’s an example of a slippery slope in action. Guy absolutely worships one grifter and now he’s licking the boot of every grifter. Is it projection? Do you wanna get in on the grift action or have you already?

Leave your DC grudges in DC.

[Pennywise]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

How do you feel about LeBron James?

That he can't hold MJ's jock.