Chiefs Disappointed in McCluster - Page 71

Hammock Parties · 10-10-2010, 08:41 PM

Bla bla bla, he's a playmaker, he has two touchdowns already, whatever.

He has seven catches for 93 yards. 1/3 of that yardage came on one play. At least two of those are screen passes I believe.

That ****ing sucks.

This guy needs to be a threat as a WIDE RECEIVER. He hasnt made a single play down the field. I'm not even talking 20 yards. How about 10? How about coming off the line, putting your foot in the ground, getting open and giving Cassel a target?

I'm not willing to accept the idea that Cassel is so god awful he makes all our wide receivers look terrible.

McCluster hasn't done shit yet. And he was utter garbage in Indy.

Don't buy any of his ****ing t-shirts.

JohnnyV13 · 12-09-2013, 02:35 PM

Well, Clayton, McCluster made you look bad yesterday.

However, I think those were "special circumstances". McCluster could cut on a slick field like no one else because he only weighs 170. The reduced coefficient of friction really benefited him because all those big guys had to slow down before they cut, or else their feet would go out from under.

On that day, on that field, McCluster was a superstar.

I'm not sure we can take this game as an indication that he's improving or can expect a similar performance under normal circumstances.

Notice, also, that his 1st career punt return took place on a similarly slick field.

This is something Reid needs to stick in his head come playoff time.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-09-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ComoLaz

Keep McCluster but don't overpay for him.

3rd/4th wr and solid punt returner level pay

If our WRs group wasn't so weak he wouldn't get as many touches

tough little guy though

Agreed. I also believe that if our receivers did their job, he would have a lot more underneath opportunities. It's no surprise that when the offense opens up, he plays better. Was also true when Orton was here.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-09-2013, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko

This. Don't overpay him, whatsoever. The NFL talent pool has to be loaded with speedy little 5'9 guys that can play special teams. Just because we blew a high round pick on him does not mean we should lock up a huge chunk of payroll on him. Did I mention he tends to drop a lot of passes that him in the hands/and or chest?

He did have a good game though against the Skins, hopefully the same effort gets expended on our 3 remaining games in reg and games in postseason.

He is not doing that anymore. His hands have been terrific this year, and he's even catching the tough ones.

Saccopoo · 12-09-2013, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Receivers drop passes. Good ones. It happens.

Who do you think is truly more valuable to the offense?

Seriously?

McCluster. All day long.

Avery won't even be on this roster next season.

Dude absolutely sucks. Can't run anything but left side post routes and has hands of stone.

McCluster's punt return ability alone makes him valuable to the offense in terms of field position, as does his flexibility to lineup in various positions in multiple offensive sets.

mschiefs1984 · 12-09-2013, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ComoLaz

Keep McCluster but don't overpay for him.

3rd/4th wr and solid punt returner level pay

If our WRs group wasn't so weak he wouldn't get as many touches

tough little guy though

Agreed he can be a nice part of an offense. Not a 1 or 2 but a nice part.

**BossChief** · 12-09-2013, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Seriously?

McCluster. All day long.

Avery won't even be on this roster next season.

Dude absolutely sucks. Can't run anything but left side post routes and has hands of stone.

McCluster's punt return ability alone makes him valuable to the offense in terms of field position, as does his flexibility to lineup in various positions in multiple offensive sets.

Avery is signed, Dexter isn't.

Hammock Parties · 12-09-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Seriously?

McCluster. All day long.

A guy who actually provides some semblance of a deep threat to the offense is far more valuable.

First downs:

Avery: 21
Midget: 22

Touchdowns:

Avery: 2
Midget: 1

20+ plays:

Avery: 9
Midget: 4

40+ plays:

Avery: 3
Midget: 1

% of catches that went for a first down:

Avery: 60%
Midget: 47.8%

Winner: Avery

**QuikSsurfer** · 12-09-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Donnie Avery > Dexter McPuntster

Hohohohohohahahahahaha

Saccopoo · 12-09-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Avery is signed, Dexter isn't.

Don't get all pissy because your sig just took a major beating.

Avery is absolutely expendable, where McCluster is proving his worth to this team on both the offense and special teams.

And, yes, he is signed to a three year deal and I don't know the specifics of it other than that in terms of the team getting out from under it earlier than the end of term. However, Avery is just a guy. He's on his fourth team since 2008 and can't catch the ball consistently or run decent routes other than the outside go/post on the left side of the field.

If he had any relevance, the Colts would have kept him after last season to help Luck progress. I'm shocked Smith even looks his way at this point.

Hammock Parties · 12-09-2013, 03:02 PM

I'm pretty sure we can find any slapdick off the street to get us 1.69 first downs per game. Really. He does nothing special.

His only value this year has been on ST. Move him to 4th WR and be DONE with it. I want a real ****ing WR in the slot.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-09-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

I'm pretty sure we can find any slapdick off the street to get us 1.69 first downs per game. Really. He does nothing special.

His only value this year has been on ST. Move him to 4th WR and be DONE with it. I want a real ****ing WR in the slot.

In three games against Denver, San Diego, and Denver again he averaged 3 a game. That is very good for a slot receiver who isn't your primary passing target.

Avery is a vertical receiver. He would suck in the slot. Of course his first down numbers are going to be padded because he's proven he is mostly worthless on the short stuff.

I don't know a single person besides you that would rather have a very over McCluster right now. Even Donnie avery would rather keep McCluster.

Hammock Parties · 12-09-2013, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

In three games against Denver, San Diego, and Denver again he averaged 3 a game. That is very good for a slot receiver who isn't your primary passing target.

That's super irrelevant.

I can find three good games turned in by some other slapdick in Chiefs history I'm sure.

McCluster is the same turd he has always been on offense. Catches a bunch of short shitty passes that go nowhere for the most part.

Saccopoo · 12-09-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

A guy who actually provides some semblance of a deep threat to the offense is far more valuable.

First downs:

Avery: 21
Midget: 22

Touchdowns:

Avery: 2
Midget: 1

20+ plays:

Avery: 9
Midget: 4

40+ plays:

Avery: 3
Midget: 1

% of catches that went for a first down:

Avery: 60%
Midget: 47.8%

Winner: Avery

Stats are not your friend in this argument. Avery has the better deep ball statistics because that's all he offers. He's averaging 15.2 per catch on 35 receptions, but only 40.8 yards per game. He's easily covered by most CB's he goes against because he doesn't run anything but a single route and isn't targeted often because he is a liability when the ball is in the air to his side.

McCluster, as the third slot WR, has been targeted 11 more times (and that's competing against Charles and the tight end group in the same short to mid area of the field) and is averaging 9.5 per reception. And that's in addition to his punt returns.

McCluster is the more valuable player and it isn't even close.

**hometeam** · 12-09-2013, 03:16 PM

I have been firmly in the DMC sucks ass camp since he has come to KC.

This year he has managed to change my mind a bit. I would like to see him return next year as our punt returner, but I still don't really want to see him catching passes, and FFS don't hand the ball off to him.

Hammock Parties · 12-09-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Stats are not your friend in this argument. Avery has the better deep ball statistics because that's all he offers..

What does McCluster offer again? A smorgasboard of 3-yard passes that go for 7 yards before we punt?

He doesn't really add anything to the offense. If anything, he hinders it, because defenders know he isn't a deep threat at all, and is rarely even an intermediate threat, so it makes the offense more predictable.

Imagine having a slot WR who could actually go down the field!!! Or pick up more than 1 or 2 first downs a game! CAN YOU IMAGINE!

10-10-2010, 08:41 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4410478	Disappointed in McCluster Bla bla bla, he's a playmaker, he has two touchdowns already, whatever. He has seven catches for 93 yards. 1/3 of that yardage came on one play. At least two of those are screen passes I believe. That **ing sucks. This guy needs to be a threat as a WIDE RECEIVER. He hasnt made a single play down the field. I'm not even talking 20 yards. How about 10? How about coming off the line, putting your foot in the ground, getting open and giving Cassel a target? I'm not willing to accept the idea that Cassel is so god awful he makes all our wide receivers look terrible. McCluster hasn't done shit yet. And he was utter garbage in Indy. Don't buy any of his **ing t-shirts.
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12-09-2013, 02:35 PM	#1051
JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $6115200	Well, Clayton, McCluster made you look bad yesterday. However, I think those were "special circumstances". McCluster could cut on a slick field like no one else because he only weighs 170. The reduced coefficient of friction really benefited him because all those big guys had to slow down before they cut, or else their feet would go out from under. On that day, on that field, McCluster was a superstar. I'm not sure we can take this game as an indication that he's improving or can expect a similar performance under normal circumstances. Notice, also, that his 1st career punt return took place on a similarly slick field. This is something Reid needs to stick in his head come playoff time.
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12-09-2013, 03:02 PM	#1060
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4410478	I'm pretty sure we can find any slapdick off the street to get us 1.69 first downs per game. Really. He does nothing special. His only value this year has been on ST. Move him to 4th WR and be DONE with it. I want a real ****ing WR in the slot. __________________ Chiefs game films
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12-09-2013, 03:16 PM	#1064
hometeam Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Casino cash: $3901956	I have been firmly in the DMC sucks ass camp since he has come to KC. This year he has managed to change my mind a bit. I would like to see him return next year as our punt returner, but I still don't really want to see him catching passes, and FFS don't hand the ball off to him.
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