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Old 03-12-2019, 06:19 PM  
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UPDATE: Ford to 49ers for a 2020 2nd round pick. Official.



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Old 03-13-2019, 02:03 PM   #1051
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:04 PM   #1052
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:06 PM   #1053
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Another element of this is that the Patriots are CONSTANTLY trading for future picks. Why? Because they knew there would be zero turnover between coaching/QB/Front office.

No one was playing for their job. They can actually plan for the future.

Chiefs are in a spot that only the Rams can claim. Period. No other team has the young QB, the coach on an ice-cold seat, and a GM who isn't looking over his shoulder.

No one.

This is how a dynasty is built. Don't overpay for aging players. Don't put all your stock in one draft (all those contracts come due at the same time), and keep your talent young and cheap so the QB can be paid.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:06 PM   #1054
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Neither of those players were changing positions when they entered the league. And neither of those guys played behind two former All-Pro's when they entered the league either.
You’re just full of excuses. That’s all they are. A first round draft pick with an explosive first step not only couldn’t beat out flat-footed Tamba Hali in his first season, he couldn’t do it in his second season, either. They had Dee Ford on the roster in 2016 and STILL gave Hali another multi-million dollar extension (in addition to the mint they gave Houston) because they ONVIOUSLY didn’t feel Ford was capable of replacing him.

He’s gone. Go root for the 49ers if you’re that upset about it.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:13 PM   #1055
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You’re just full of excuses. That’s all they are. A first round draft pick with an explosive first step not only couldn’t beat out flat-footed Tamba Hali in his first season, he couldn’t do it in his second season, either. They had Dee Ford on the roster in 2016 and STILL gave Hali another multi-million dollar extension (in addition to the mint they gave Houston) because they ONVIOUSLY didn’t feel Ford was capable of replacing him.

He’s gone. Go root for the 49ers if you’re that upset about it.
Full of excuses? Dee Ford was a known project when he was drafted. We had Hali and Houston, there was no expectation of him contributing until about the time he actually did. Then he got hurt...

"On March 8, 2015, Hali restructured his contract to free up $3 million in cap space to stay with the Chiefs."<---- Just FYI...

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Old 03-13-2019, 02:15 PM   #1056
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:18 PM   #1057
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Full of excuses? Dee Ford was a known project when he was drafted. We had Hali and Houston, there was no expectation of him contributing until about the time he actually did. Then he got hurt...

"On March 8, 2015, Hali restructured his contract to free up $3 million in cap space to stay with the Chiefs."<---- Just FYI...

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Dee Ford was still rehabbing a knee injury (there’s that word again) when he was drafted. He had to limit his workouts and missed the combine completely.

Furthermore Tamba Hali was not an All Pro in 2016, he was CLEARLY a declining player that they had to keep because they had no idea if Ford could play or not.

He’s had 1 good season. He’s 28 years old. He has a history of back and knee injuries. He’s gone and the Chiefs didn’t have to foot the bill. They’re better off for it.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:19 PM   #1058
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To be fair, they signed Hali when Houston was coming off ACL repair.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:25 PM   #1060
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Dee Ford was still rehabbing a knee injury (there’s that word again) when he was drafted. He had to limit his workouts and missed the combine completely.

Furthermore Tamba Hali was not an All Pro in 2016, he was CLEARLY a declining player that they had to keep because they had no idea if Ford could play or not.

He’s had 1 good season. He’s 28 years old. He has a history of back and knee injuries. He’s gone and the Chiefs didn’t have to foot the bill. They’re better off for it.
They re-signed Hali because they had no idea if Houston could play or not.

I have no doubt that if you ask anyone in the organization at the time, they'll tell you that the plan with Ford was for him to replace Hali. That's why you drafted a guy who'd come through college as a pure pass-rusher with his hand on the ground; that's what Hali was doing. He was very clearly the long-term replacement for Hali.

And then Houston didn't recover, we panicked and let Hali's agents rat-**** us.

If Houston were healthy, they'd have let Hali walk and Ford's development curve would've been smoother. These aren't excuses for Ford's early disappointments, they're just reasons. And frankly, excuses shouldn't even be necessary for a guy who everyone knew had top 5 physical skills (I compared him to Fowler at the time and he was better than Fowler at every available measurable), but who had a lot to learn.

The hell of it is that he's learned it and we traded him for a pittance.
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if KC wins 13 games in 2019/20 season and goes to the playoffs and wins one or two games, maybe even makes it to the SB, where will that 2nd round pick be slotted in the 2020 draft?
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Dee Ford was still rehabbing a knee injury (there’s that word again) when he was drafted. He had to limit his workouts and missed the combine completely.

Furthermore Tamba Hali was not an All Pro in 2016, he was CLEARLY a declining player that they had to keep because they had no idea if Ford could play or not.

He’s had 1 good season. He’s 28 years old. He has a history of back and knee injuries. He’s gone and the Chiefs didn’t have to foot the bill. They’re better off for it.
1. So... did KC expect immediate production from a DE that they were converting to OLB, who was also rehabing an injured knee? So, kinda makes sense why he had 2 years of little production then, right?

2. Didn't think I needed to put "former" in front of All-Pro... but my post are graded for spelling and grammar, sooo....

3. We'll see whether or not KC will be better off for it. Right now we are depending on Speaks and Kpass to replace the most productive pass rushing duo in the NFL last year... while overpaying for SS's and WR's...
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No one is saying we should have signed him to a long term deal. But given his production at $16MM is a BARGAIN. Especially when you consider WE JUST PAID A Strong Safety $14 MILLION PER!!!

Which by the way is looking worse and worse with every signing. We're paying Mathieu more per year than Earl Thomas is getting from the Ravens.
Don’t get me wrong, $16 million for a top end pass rusher is not that bad. It still goes back to the fact that he has played at this level for one season which happened to be his contract year. By franchise tagging him we only kick the can down the road for a year. Come next year we would be looking at either to do it again for far more money or we would have to pay him even more than SF did this year. Or we trade him but the compensation would be lower than what we got for him now. We traded at peak Ford. We weren’t going to get better and signing him would have been a huge risk knowing Mahome’s contract would be looming.

With the Mathieu contract the only thing that makes it better over what Thomas got for us is that his contract is shorter with less guaranteed money. If it doesn’t pan out we can get out quicker and with less financial repercussions for it.
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1. So... did KC expect immediate production from a DE that they were converting to OLB, who was also rehabing an injured knee? So, kinda makes sense why he had 2 years of little production then, right?

2. Didn't think I needed to put "former" in front of All-Pro... but my post are graded for spelling and grammar, sooo....

3. We'll see whether or not KC will be better off for it. Right now we are depending on Speaks and Kpass to replace the most productive pass rushing duo in the NFL last year... while overpaying for SS's and WR's...
Better than overpaying a guy who can’t stay healthy and hasn’t ever put together back-to-back good seasons.
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Actually, no, you're not proven right.

The Packers got two players instead up dumping it all in one.

The Chiefs likely didn't feel he was a schematic fit.

Neither are evidence that teams thought he wasn't worth the risk.
It ABSOLUTELY is evidence that neither team thought he was worth it or they would have acted.
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