***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

The fact that you can pop some pills to clear it up, for one.

March 25, 2020 Update 5: Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a board-certified family practioner in New York, treated 350 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate.

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/18/...covidtrial-io/


Not saying it is 100%, just throwing this out as a counter to your bloomberg article

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by SupDock

New York has now changed how it chooses to test people. "Unless you are hospitalized and a diagnosis will impact your care, you will not be tested," the New York State Department of Health said. https://t.co/vXQQ601SFf

— NBC New York (@NBCNewYork) March 24, 2020

so overall numbers will go down but other stats will go the other way.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I think they are testing less people overall so total numbers will go down.

My understanding is that the opposite is true. Testing has dramatically increased.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Yet another reason why the mandatory house arrest/mass "social distancing" measures need to end...

If anyone is considering committing suicide due to 'social distancing' measures put into effect by our government they have serious mental health issues that need to be addressed.

[Mecca]

No one cares about mental health and suicides till that stat can be used to backup the muh economy take.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

So what exactly would you have us do...

Absorb data, then act?

CDC came out 2 weeks ago and said "hey, there's NO evidence that shutting schools down slows the spread because you're isolating low risk kids with high risk individuals and by increasing family exposure (EASILY the highest instances of transmission), you're actually increasing risk..."

Cuomo comes out yesterday and says "yeah, closing schools was probably a mistake based on the data we have available...."

I mean, nevermind the fact that you had evidence of that before you did it - you STILL won't re-open 'em because of the optics involved.

And yeah, it's easy to just shout about carriers and disease vectors and blah blah blah but again, you have to ignore the evidence that's showing that children to adult exposure is extremely rare, as are instances of children to children transfer. There's data here - friggen use it.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The police need to find who he is and arrest him

lol he did get arrested.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...f=bftwbuzzfeed

A 31-year-old man from North Carolina has been arrested after allegedly pretending to have the coronavirus and boasting about going to a Walmart in a Facebook video.

Justin M. Rhodes filmed himself walking around a Walmart store in Albemarle last week in a video for his followers.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

No one cares about mental health and suicides till that stat can be used to backup the muh economy take.

One would think the "all lives are precious, we'll stop everything to save a single one..." crowd might.

Again - there's only one voice from only one perspective being heard right now. And yes, there's a calculus. If you can tell me why an 80 yr old dying of disease warrants more concern than a 30 yr old who kills himself because he can't see a way to provide for his family, I'm all ears.

All viewpoints need more consideration than they're getting.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/18/...covidtrial-io/


Not saying it is 100%, just throwing this out as a counter to your bloomberg article

Maybe the ones who did well only had bacterial pneumonia and they were not viral hence why the HCQ does better in combo with the z-pac, some of these trials have pretty big holes in them. They are not sure if some people are just shedding the virus from the nasal canal causing negative test results.

I also wonder when a DR sends his finding directly to the president , instead of more appropriate channels , double blind randomized trials I assume follow a certain chain.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

One would think the "all lives are precious, we'll stop everything to save a single one..." crowd might.

Again - there's only one voice from only one perspective being heard right now. And yes, there's a calculus. If you can tell me why an 80 yr old dying of disease warrants more concern than a 30 yr old who kills himself because he can't see a way to provide for his family, I'm all ears.

All viewpoints need more consideration than they're getting.

I am in the all lives are precious group but there is also a reality to life that we have to accept. I don't want anyone to die from this or any other thing. But people are and will die from this and countless other illnesses.

What I think we have to make sure of is if people do get sick and need to go to the hospital that we have resources. We don't want people would otherwise be fine dying because there wasn't enough resources.

That's the balancing act right now. But I tend to lean your way with we are shooting first and asking questions second anymore.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Maybe the ones who did well only had bacterial pneumonia and they were not viral hence why the HCQ does better in combo with the z-pac, some of these trials have pretty big holes in them. They are not sure if some people are just shedding the virus from the nasal canal causing negative test results.

I also wonder when a DR sends his finding directly to the president , instead of more appropriate channels , double blind randomized trials I assume follow a certain chain.

Oh I agree. I will tell you this, my 6 yr old Son has had pneumonia twice since Christmas. First was bacterial, second was viral. Oddly enough the bacterial was a very dry and deep cough while the viral was a very wet and congested cough. However treatment was the same for both save the viral he was also put on a Z-Pak.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

One would think the "all lives are precious, we'll stop everything to save a single one..." crowd might.

Again - there's only one voice from only one perspective being heard right now. And yes, there's a calculus. If you can tell me why an 80 yr old dying of disease warrants more concern than a 30 yr old who kills himself because he can't see a way to provide for his family, I'm all ears.

All viewpoints need more consideration than they're getting.

Although I have empathy for Americans that live paycheck-to-paycheck every American is recommended to have 6th months worth of rent saved before they move out. Or at the very least a month or twos rent. If they don't that it is their own fault and they should take ownership of it.

That being said you are exaggerating. Can't see a way to provide for his family? Lol... There's unemployment and now a stimulus package to help Americans out who lose their job due to the CoronaVirus. **** out of here with that can't provide for his family bs.

I could see if this was like 4th or 5th month of people not working but that isn't the case and you know it.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm not sure what you mean. NY is reporting 72 cases so far today. Those people have been tested.

i thin k its OBVIOUS what i mean.


the arent testing everyone showing symptoms. they arent testing ANYONE that a diagnosis wont change their course of care.


the numbers coming out of NY dont mean a thing at this point IMO. prove me wrong.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Donger

My understanding is that the opposite is true. Testing has dramatically increased.

I think they were and got overwhelmed and changed philosophies.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Donger

My understanding is that the opposite is true. Testing has dramatically increased.

its increased by a number LESS that what the ACTUAL new cases are.


they arent testing everyone that has it.