***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Someone with a mental illness, "chooses their fate"?

Perhaps you can say the same thing about an overweight chain smoker with diabetes/lung problems who drops dead from COVID-19 due to all of their self-induced underlying health conditions.

so every 30 year old that kills themselves because they cant see a way to support their family had a mental illness?

and killing yourself is definitely a choice, mentally impaired or not

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

you CANT say that if they arent testing. you dont know.

Tracking the death rate is the best way to go. Yesterday was 225, so far today 9 so hopefully that starts falling.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh.

So NOW free will matters?

Stop trying to get political. The point he made is good. Those people killing themselves have a choice. The people dying from the CoronaVirus are not asking to be killed.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But again, there's little evidence that schools have ever been a hotbed of transmission. It's not the kind of close, intimate contact among extreme carriers that is leading to the outbreaks.

Because the boots on the ground reality is that the adults still have to go out in the world. They work in healthcare or essential industry. They go to grocery stores. Then they spend even MORE time around their children and create that prolonged intimate contact that increases transmission.

I don't see it as counter-intuitive, but even if it is - so what? You don't get to disregard data because it doesn't fit the narrative you'd already contrived.

If there's no evidence that shutting down schools slows the spread, why shut down schools? "Abundance of caution" in the face of all available evidence simply doesn't fly.

well you shut down the schools because the health officials are saying you shouldnt have groups of over 10 people.


any class has that, right?


i havent seen any evidence that a child wont be as likely to give it or receive it from an adult. you got a link to that?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Tracking the death rate is the best way to go. Yesterday was 225, so far today 9 so hopefully that starts falling.

on this i agree.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Stop trying to get political. The point he made is good. Those people killing themselves have a choice. The people dying from the CoronaVirus are not asking to be killed.

Is not taking care of your weight and becoming obese with diabetes a choice? Yes

Is smoking a choice? Yes

Both of those conditions/actions lead to the underlying health conditions that are causing a significant number of COVID-19-related hospitalizations/deaths.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Tracking the death rate is the best way to go. Yesterday was 225, so far today 9 so hopefully that starts falling.

how many were reported by 11 yesterday? IIRC all the numbers started jumping around 5pm...


lets hope it falls off today.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Stop trying to get political. The point he made is good. Those people killing themselves have a choice. The people dying from the CoronaVirus are not asking to be killed.

What's political about it? Quit trying to shut down a discussion because you don't like what it implies.

The 80 year old that visits his kids had a choice as well. So did the person that has multiple comorbidities due to lifestyle decisions.

One side of this dialogue is claiming a moral high-ground and believes that gives them the right do decide which deaths matter and which ones are to be disregarded. How isn't that putting your thumb on the scale?

If you're going to try to make this decision purely from a public health perspective, then the impacts this makes on people's mental health is absolutely relevant to the discussion.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

you CANT say that if they arent testing. you dont know.

Yes, I can. There are 82 confirmed new cases today. That means those 82 people have been tested. Does that fact mean that there aren't more cases out there that are unknown/untested? Of course.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What's political about it? Quit trying to shut down a discussion because you don't like what it implies.

The 80 year old that visits his kids had a choice as well. So did the person that has multiple comorbidities due to lifestyle decisions.

One side of this dialogue is claiming a moral high-ground and believes that gives them the right do decide which deaths matter and which ones are to be disregarded. How isn't that putting your thumb on the scale?

If you're going to try to make this decision purely from a public health perspective, then the impacts this makes on people's mental health is absolutely relevant to the discussion.

where did the 80 year visiting his kids come into this discussion?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

well you shut down the schools because the health officials are saying you shouldnt have groups of over 10 people.


any class has that, right?


i havent seen any evidence that a child wont be as likely to give it or receive it from an adult. you got a link to that?

As I've said, I've simply gone through too much of this crap to keep track of it. It was from a couple of studies released last Thursday/Friday(ish).

Children to adult transmissions are showing to be exceptionally rare.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Tracking the death rate is the best way to go. Yesterday was 225, so far today 9 so hopefully that starts falling.

Up to 11 but yes, anything under triple digits right now is progress.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

because the 30 year old is choosing his fate?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh.

So NOW free will matters?

Open the Covid-19 thread for some pessimistic updates and these are the first two posts i see.

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[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What's political about it? Quit trying to shut down a discussion because you don't like what it implies.

The 80 year old that visits his kids had a choice as well. So did the person that has multiple comorbidities due to lifestyle decisions.

One side of this dialogue is claiming a moral high-ground and believes that gives them the right do decide which deaths matter and which ones are to be disregarded. How isn't that putting your thumb on the scale?

If you're going to try to make this decision purely from a public health perspective, then the impacts this makes on people's mental health is absolutely relevant to the discussion.

Comparing an 80-year-old visiting her kids dying due to the CoronaVirus to a 30-year-old blowing his brains out is one of the most asinine comparisons I've ever heard in my life.

Ever think maybe the 30-year-old didn't enjoy living and just decided to use these times as an excuse?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, I can. There are 82 confirmed new cases today. That means those 82 people have been tested. Does that fact mean that there aren't more cases out there that are unknown/untested? Of course.

JFC


ok how many are showing many symptoms in NY that havent been tested today?

thats the ****ing point here...



the numbers arent accurate by any account