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Old 04-23-2019, 11:30 AM  
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Old 04-23-2019, 04:52 PM   #1082
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Another reality is that the majority of this board are such homers that they can’t see any wrong in what the organization does.
You've been here 5 years + and have almost 6k posts and THIS is the conclusion you come to?
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Old 04-23-2019, 04:54 PM   #1083
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Unbiased people are saying it was a great trade for both teams.
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Old 04-23-2019, 04:55 PM   #1084
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Just looking at this starting D-line and damn ...

Jones, Nnaughty, Okafor, and Clark.

Guys ... holy shit.

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Joe Flacco & Phillip Rivers just put in for early retirement. Derek Carr decided on gender reassignment surgery when news of Clark's trade came out.
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Old 04-23-2019, 04:56 PM   #1085
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I'll give you credit. I remember reading your takes in December (ironically the day of the Seattle game in particular) about how Sutton should be replaced and we should move to a 4/3 and how Ford would be expendable in that scheme. Frankly, the thought of losing both him and Houston (the latter of whom I think is underrated) frightened me. And then we got rid of both of them and replaced them with some excellent defensive coaches and, frankly, JAGs.

Today, we got the guy you wanted as a replacement. A more well-rounded playmaker whom Veach has surrounded with more well-rounded depth. I think if you want to play the Ford vs Clark vs the picks vs the cap hit game, maybe it's a close call. But Ford was a deadweight loss as far as I can tell as he didn't fit into the Spags scheme and we got the guy to replace him. And that makes me so ****ing excited.

So this isn't about simple math. It's about who the defensive staff thinks can fill things out. And for those of you excited about the defensive coaching ensemble we've established, give them some rope.
I wasn't on the Clark bandwagon-I had concerns about his off the field issues. I still do; and i sincerely hope the Chiefs did their homework.

Ford didn't fit as a 4-3 NFL DE. It's true.
Houston I've always liked, but at that money at this point in his career, it just didn't make sense.
Paying Clark Houston's money? as a 26 year old still ascending player that's a perfect scheme fit and good-lord-get-a-load-of-those-highlight-reels, yeah, it's a no-brainer.

KC got a LOT better today. Jones and Clark are going to wreck worlds next to each other. I mean what the **** do you DO about those two? Dude.
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Old 04-23-2019, 04:59 PM   #1086
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I wasn't on the Clark bandwagon-I had concerns about his off the field issues. I still do; and i sincerely hope the Chiefs did their homework.

Ford didn't fit as a 4-3 NFL DE. It's true.
Houston I've always liked, but at that money at this point in his career, it just didn't make sense.
Paying Clark Houston's money? as a 26 year old still ascending player that's a perfect scheme fit and good-lord-get-a-load-of-those-highlight-reels, yeah, it's a no-brainer.

KC got a LOT better today. Jones and Clark are going to wreck worlds next to each other. I mean what the **** do you DO about those two? Dude.
You can't double both Clark and Jones. They're going to kill offensive lines being next to each other.
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They're going to kill offensive lines being next to each other.
Doesn't the NFL frown upon that?
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Old 04-23-2019, 05:00 PM   #1088
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Unbiased people are saying it was a great trade for both teams.
I think that’s where I am. Clark should be a good piece on a defense that needs a player of his stature. The Seahawks seemed to get back a fair package in return. Now they have to go do something with those picks.
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Old 04-23-2019, 05:02 PM   #1089
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You can't double both Clark and Jones. They're going to kill offensive lines being next to each other.
Awesome thing about Spags scheme is Clark will be all over the field. Left side, right side and inside.

It's going to be extremely hard to scheme against Jones and Clark
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Pretty excited. Glad the second rounder is next season. Still in good shape to draft some quality players.

Clark is more well rounded than dee ford. Plays the run well, and had 13 sacks last year. Plus, Clark has only missed 2 games in the 64 he could have possibly played.

I would be shocked to see Dee Ford not only make it through the season uninjured, but to replicate what he did without a Jones and Houston to account for.

#29 and Dee Ford for Frank Clark?

All ****ing day long.

Ford ****ed us out of a trip to the superbowl not knowing where the **** he was on the field. I'll probably NEVER get over that. Honestly glad he is gone so we dont have that constant reminder.
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You can't double both Clark and Jones. They're going to kill offensive lines being next to each other.
Dude. It's vicious. Carr's going to cry again.
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Old 04-23-2019, 05:04 PM   #1092
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I wasn't on the Clark bandwagon-I had concerns about his off the field issues. I still do; and i sincerely hope the Chiefs did their homework.

Ford didn't fit as a 4-3 NFL DE. It's true.
Houston I've always liked, but at that money at this point in his career, it just didn't make sense.
Paying Clark Houston's money? as a 26 year old still ascending player that's a perfect scheme fit and good-lord-get-a-load-of-those-highlight-reels, yeah, it's a no-brainer.

KC got a LOT better today. Jones and Clark are going to wreck worlds next to each other. I mean what the **** do you DO about those two? Dude.
Yup, none of that was a criticism of yours. It's just interesting where this entire progression has taken this team.

This was the trump move that Veach had been holding out for all offseason. He tried the Honey Badger/Thomas safety combination and just missed. He probably had this or Clowney or Lawrence on the radar beyond that.

I'm just so happy the idea wasn't to go in there with the guys we had assembled before today and some draft picks. That would've been an epic failure in my mind.

Kinda bummed Veach ruined my Thursday night but excited otherwise. We're going to win a SB this next season.
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Fwiw Seattle fans are mostly upset he's leaving, that should say something. How many here were pissed Dee Ford got tossed?
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You're relatively new here. I've been here for almost 18 years.

I've been plenty critical at times.

THIS is a great move. For 2019, 2020, 2021.
If they acquired him for lower compensation i would be inclined to agree with you. But they didn't. Tell me whats better

Dee ford on 5 year 85m contract
1st round pick on a cheap contract


Frank Clark 5 year 105m contract

No one is going to convince me we're better off with the latter.

Hell, just in the past few years we've gotten Peters (didn't end well), and Chris Jones with our 1st pick (I know Jones was a 2nd round pick)

If we drafted another Chris Jones or Peters, having them and ford would undoubtedly be better than Just Frank Clark for 2019, 2020, and 20201 No?
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