***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Woah! a whole 3 Doctors.

Some of ya'll just determined.

Bright sunshiny day today!

[wazu]

Originally Posted by DaFace

No one disagrees that it shows promise. You just can't roll out drugs at a massive scale until someone's tested it more scientifically.

From the video: "In the trenches, we're all using it."

[Donger]

Ah, now I get it. Don't watch it if you want to remain politics-free:

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Donger

Ah, now I get it. Don't watch it if you want to remain politics-free:

This man looks like he just crawled out of a dumpster, is dumpster juice the cure?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Some of ya'll just determined.

Bright sunshiny day today!

How many Doctors do you think are currently treating these patients around the world.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Monticore

This has been posted before and they don't put drugs into use based on anecdotal evidence.

Of course not. It's not going to go into accepted protocol without significant testing.

Fauci mentioned it about a week ago - the issue isn't even it's initial effectiveness, its what happens if someone is exposed a 2nd time and haven't built up antibodies and suddenly this thing just BLASTS 'em.

That's why you can't go utilizing it in large numbers yet, you could take an issue that wouldn't have been a problem for a 80% of patients that get this and suddenly make it a problem for them. It's like Dr. Cox giving that dude the rabies kidney in Scrubs.

Rule #1 - do no harm. Of course doctors are wise to let this play out.

But that doesn't mean we can't accept those truths and STILL be optimistic about early results.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

How many Doctors do you think are currently treating these patients around the world.

Uh India banned the export of the drug because..........

[Baby Lee]

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Monticore

How many Doctors do you think are currently treating these patients around the world.

Tell ya what, if you come down with a bad case of coronavirus you can refuse these meds until more research is done. I'll be looking for a doctor that's a little less patient than that.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Uh India banned the export of the drug because..........

They have malaria there.

[Mecca]

You know this quarantine stuff has been great for my basement, and my house in general as things are much easier to get done with all this extra time.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Generally, when referring to diabetes, it's referring to Type I Diabetes, which is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a choice.

Adult Onset Diabetes, commonly referred to as Type II Diabetes, can be reversed with medication, diet and exercise but it's not exactly easy, especially for older adults in their 60's, 70's and 80's, who are often limited in their mobility.

According to the CDC, 90-95% of diabetics in the US have the Type 2 version which is lifestyle-driven.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by wazu

Tell ya what, if you come down with a bad case of coronavirus you can refuse these meds until more research is done. I'll be looking for a doctor that's a little less patient than that.

I'm not saying that it might not be a cure but people might be jumping the gun a little which they were accusing some of doing about the lockdowns.

You can't accuse one side of cherry picking info then do the exact same thing.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

According to the CDC, 90-95% of diabetics in the US have the Type 2 version which is lifestyle-driven.

There are significant genetic components and socioeconomic components of type II diabetes.

Lifestyle also plays a large role.

[SupDock]

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2763802

Really good JAMA article on the need for randomized controlled trials of these compassionate use meds for Covid-19