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Old 07-17-2012, 11:45 AM  
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How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's?
Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.


I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.


Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36


Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

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Old 07-19-2012, 02:04 PM   #1111
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the real problem, as I see it, is how can he be 15-30 mill under the cap again if he signs Bowe?

as a fan, I get that, and hope Clark stands strong...my first concern is Clark's bank account
That's a good point. We have to keep in mind that the amount of money that Clark spends could have a direct effect on the product on the field, which is why it's imperative that we not sign our best players. Keep it Carr style.
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:08 PM   #1112
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if we sign Bowe now, how will sign some unknown player in 3 years?

I mean besides the salary cap going up, other players getting cut, and older vets being forced to restructure that is...

but if you ignore all that, it is clear signing Bowe will end our streak of deep playoff runs...it could be months before we have more cap room....months!
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:09 PM   #1113
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I am a fan. Of Clark's money. It's real good and I am hoping.
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I'm suprised nobody has pointed out that Bowe dropped the coin.
He didn't even try to catch it. That bum.
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if we sign Bowe now, how will sign some unknown player in 3 years?

I mean besides the salary cap going up, other players getting cut, and older vets being forced to restructure that is...

but if you ignore all that, it is clear signing Bowe will end our streak of deep playoff runs...it could be months before we have more cap room....months!
You're OK with giving Bowe $120M?
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You're OK with giving Bowe $120M?
I'm ok with giving him $500 mill, which is what I heard he'd get on the market....
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:15 PM   #1117
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That's a good point. We have to keep in mind that the amount of money that Clark spends could have a direct effect on the product on the field, which is why it's imperative that we not sign our best players. Keep it Carr style.
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Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, Jamaal Charles, and Derrick Johnson.

Yeah, makes much more sense to talk about the one guy who "got away" because he had ZERO intentions of re-signing in Kansas City anyway.

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You're OK with giving Bowe $120M?
you can give him 1.3 trillion....

it doesnt come out of my pocket so why should I care?
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what's really funny is this board believe we already have one of the best rosters in the league...but signing Bowe will somehow destroy it?

instead of capitalizing right NOW on this roster, we have to let Bowe go for some 'roster of the future' where that money will be needed....

screw winning now...let's budget to lose later, and lose now...WIN WIN!


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we could sign Bowe, and draft a QB next year with no financial problems...

or we could cry about Clark's money and burn another decade with nothing but shit to show for it...tough choice...
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I'm suprised nobody has pointed out that Bowe dropped the coin.
It was the camera angle... he wouldnt of dropped it Cassel would of been further in his drop like Stanzi does...

Remember Camera Angle theory...
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need a hug?

you and Clark could skype each other and cry it out when Bowe finally signs the tender..
I suppose this is easier than constructing a coherent rebuttal.
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Exactly. All possible because Bowe hasn't been signed to an extension.

What are you arguing again? Paying Bowe is going to restrict the organization how?
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I suppose this is easier than constructing a coherent rebuttal.
exactly how many different ways to I need to point out that your concern for Clark's money is ****ing stupid?
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exactly how many different ways to I need to point out that your concern for Clark's money is ****ing stupid?
The fact that you think my concern is Clark Hunt's money is every reason why you should never throw the word "stupid" around.
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Exactly. All possible because Bowe hasn't been signed to an extension.

What are you arguing again? Paying Bowe is going to restrict the organization how?
The arguments for paying Bowe (the last couple pages) seem to be:

1. Pay him. It's not my money.
2. Pay him whatever he wants because we need him.

That's irrational fantalk.

You don't make a habit of OVERPAYING players in the NFL if you hope to have sustained success. The contract I proposed is a fair market deal for Bowe. Probably even a little higher. If I were concerned with Clark Hunt's money I wouldn't be suggesting that he guarantee $35m ($80m overall).
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