***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Rasputin

So this can have long lasting or permanent damage effects ?

They don't know it is too early, my wife says some patients who got SARs v1 never fuller recovered there lung function but again you get into health history etc.. these things are difficult to determine.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/down...ta-summary.pdf

It's been revised.

[carlos3652]

If I read the bill correctly.

If you havent filed 2019, no worries, they will use 2018 to calculate.
If you havent filed 2018, no worries, they will use the social security records to calculate.

For singles - under 75k you get the full 1200.
For married filing jointly - under 150k you get the full 2400.
If you have kids (under 17) 500 each as long as you are under the threshold above.

If you make more, you still get a check of some sort... reduced on income over the amount posted above.

To get 0 -
Single making over 99k,
Married over 198k
You are a dependent on another return.

Pretty sure 90% americans will get something.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...INAL-TEXT.html 883 page bill for you here.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by TLO

From medication being given or what?

I think the inflammatory changes are causing heart blockage effect, Gupta was talking about it this morning . he mentioned 20% but unsure if this was only in hospitalized patients.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

If I read the bill correctly.

If you havent filed 2019, no worries, they will use 2018 to calculate.
If you havent filed 2018, no worries, they will use the social security records to calculate.

For singles - under 75k you get the full 1200.
For married filing jointly - under 150k you get the full 2400.
If you have kids 500 each as long as you are under the threshold above.

If you make more, you still get a check of some sort... reduced on income over the amount posted above.

To get 0 -
Single making over 90kish,
Married over 190kish
(not 100% on these numbers, but the closer you get to them the less you get.)
You are a dependent on another return.

Pretty sure 90% americans will get something.

Is there a way to opt-out?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think common sense would give you the answer to that question.

One should never assume.

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by Donger

Is there a way to opt-out?

Great question. Unsure. I updated the numbers to reflect more correctness.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Is there a way to opt-out?

yes,

I can give you my paypal information right now

[Demonpenz]

Hope you can opt out. I don't want go pay the extra taxes.

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

media trying to incite

if you haven’t filed a return for EITHER year, the IRS will determine your check amount based on your Form SSA-1099, Social Security Benefit Statement.

i do not remember her saying that....but I will believe you.


Yup, Lew..Over the limit. That is why my kids get no break on college.
I fill out FAFSA-hit enter and it laughs at me.

No big deal. I also home my kids get something. One is not working and the other is teaching dance from our basement.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Donger

Is there a way to opt-out?

Sure, you can send it to me.

[BWillie]

Global mortality rate if you don't include China's numbers is 30%. I don't think anyone believes China's numbers are absolutely correct.

Deaths globally outside of China: 18,878
Recoveries globally outside of China: 44,088

It's possible not all recoveries have been reported. It's also likely that many have it and don't get tested or get reported as having Covid-19 and experience mild symptoms.

However, it appears pretty accurate because the United States isn't going to have many recoveries yet. Just 7 days ago we had 10,000 cases, now we have 69,000. When the majority of your cases are active cases, there aren't going to be many recoveries (or deaths) yet. This thing can take a couple of weeks, sometimes even longer, to reach a recovery or death so there is a lag time.

Italy has more recoveries because they were a couple weeks ahead of where we are at.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

This is worse than any of us want to believe. And if you don't think it is, then we need to be out there testing a sample of the general asymptomatic population to determine how many people actually have it and get a true mortality rate instead of just relying on China's original numbers.

[displacedinMN]

They give us money-we have to pay taxes on it.....seems fair.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Sure, you can send it to me.

ALready called dibs

[Chief Roundup]

Do people on any form of SS get a check from this stimulus?