Does Kevin Kietzman deserve to be fired/forced to resign?

[TLO]

I'm not 100% on the KK news from today. But figured we'd start a thread to discuss this topic.

Sound off below. Also feel free to add in the KK tweets and such in here.

Thanks!

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Mellinger RT'd me yesterday.

We're good.

He's just following orders from Dictator Rosen.

he wrote what he wrote.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by GoHuge

Unfortunately he got paid big time today. When Jerry Green died the current owners, Chad Boeger, Brian Mac, Jeff Montgomery, KK, and Duke Frye had to buy out his interest......which was upwards of $6-8 million over 10 years ago. I know Trent Green bought in as an owner and think Petro has a piece as well after they restructured ownership when Mr. Green died. The egomaniac is gone from 810 and hopefully we won't hear from him again, but make no doubt...dude is set for life with the check they had to write him today.

Probably, but I’m guessing standards of some sort still exist.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

he wrote what he wrote.

Even Darth Vader was redeemed.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Even Darth Vader was redeemed.

he and kk are both guilty, as is anti-hill Chief Fan.

[New World Order]

Clay used Keitzman's criticism of men running against women as a tool to help take him down



Anything is fair game to topple the regime I guess

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Clay used Keitzman's criticism of men running against women as a tool to help take him down



Anything is fair game to topple the regime I guess

#ReidToo
#FatLivesMatter

Seven years ago, the liberal media assimilated me into their collective. I had their cybernetic devices implanted throughout my body. I was linked to the hive mind. Every trace of individuality erased. I was one of them.

So you can imagine, my dear, I have a somewhat unique perspective on the media, and I know how to fight them.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have work to do.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

#ReidToo
#FatLivesMatter

Seven years ago, the liberal media assimilated me into their collective. I had their cybernetic devices implanted throughout my body. I was linked to the hive mind. Every trace of individuality erased. I was one of them.

So you can imagine, my dear, I have a somewhat unique perspective on the media, and I know how to fight them.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have work to do.

Hey, whatever it takes to get the job done

[Hammock Parties]

Kietzman OP-EDs are the best.

https://glitchesandsmiles.com/mental...of-living-a-bl

For those of you in Kansas City who have been following the Kevin Kietzman hullabaloo as I have, well, this is a perfect example of the dangers of living a blessed life. To catch you up to speed, Kevin is a polarizing sports commentator on WHB 810 here in KC. I happen to love his show. And, in full disclosure, I am predisposed to extending him some grace…to a point. Here’s what he said, then I’ll explain.

“Andy Reid does not have a great record of fixing players. He doesn’t. Discipline is not his thing,” Kietzman said during his 2-6 p.m. show Monday. “It did not work out particularly well in his family life and that needs to be added to this as we’re talking about the Chiefs. He wasn’t real great at that either. He’s had a lot of things go bad on him: family and players. He is not good at fixing people. He is not good at discipline. That is not his strength. His strength is designing football plays.”


To further catch you up, Andy Reid is the Kansas City Chiefs’ head football coach and a father of two adult children who had opioid addictions, one of which who accidentally overdosed and died.

Discipline

My first qualm is with the notion that somehow Andy Reid may not have “disciplined” his adult children enough to keep one of them from dying. And then I pause. Turns out, this comes from judgement. The exact kind of judgement I had for parents who didn’t “discipline” their children to my standards… all before I had a child.

Then my judgement of others got worse. My first child was born and he had a compliant nature about him which only fueled my conviction that I KNEW how to parent and other parents should just watch and learn.

For those of you that know the story of Marie and I then you know that we have four children; two biological, two adopted. What I learned from the next three children changed my perceptions, my outlooks and my holier-than-thou attitude. Quite simply; God humbled me. Life humbled me.

Discipline comes in all shapes and sizes. Sometimes discipline is a wrathful justice…sometimes discipline is allowing consequences to take their course, all the while hoping and praying. Sometimes it is a silent disapproval. Often times, a parent makes those calls in the moment. Other times it is a thought-out strategy of winning hearts and minds to have influence.

We as parents, even when we come from love, make many a decision that can be judged, second-guessed and criticized. And that is just by us in our own heads. When the spouse jumps in and does the same, then relationships can be damaged. When people who are not on the “inside” look in and judge, well, it can be downright painful.

Yet, I will extend grace in this event with Mr. Kietzman because it would appear that he has had the benefits of a blessed life with his children. I do not know that. I can only “judge” based on his comments.

The Apology

Here is where I feel Mr. Kietzman has a real opportunity to grow. As it stands, I do not accept his apology because he clearly still doesn’t get it. You can read the full apology in the link provided and here is the part I’ll choose to examine.

“I never mentioned one word about the tragic death of Andy Reid’s son and quickly corrected a caller who did,” Kietzman posted on Twitter after his Monday radio show. “I was talking about the owner’s record of ‘fixing’ players, the team’s record and Andy’s record.

“I was referencing the drug addiction and convictions for dealing drugs. When they served time and Reid hired them to work for his football teams, it was no longer a private matter.”

Kevin Kietzman’s apology

I believe, and I am open to the possibility of being mistaken, that he is equating the fact that Coach Reid hiring his kids to his staff was Andy trying to “fix” his kids and, well, Coach Reid just isn’t any good at it.

Here again, is the danger of a blessed life rearing its ugly head. Mr. Kietzman, parents who love their children will grab at any straw to help their children move forward from their addictions, mental health problems, physical disabilities. Parents will risk their careers, their fortunes and even their own names and reputations to “save” the ones they love.

Keeping your kids close is a strategy. Allowing them to go to prison for six months is a strategy. Enrolling them in a drug rehab program, sending them to a psychological facility, moving them in with an aunt, uncle or grandparent…those are all strategies.

Which is right? Which will work?

Sadly, no one can be sure. Least of all the very parents who are so close to the situation, so in love with their kids that they can not always see through a clear lens.

These parents need guidance from professionals and spiritual counselors and, most of all, from their closest confidants who they trust to be truthful to them in a loving sternness kind of way.

Not judgement. Especially ex post facto.

And THIS is why I believe Mr. Kietzman still doesn’t get it. Yes, he references his charitable work. Yes, he references his relationship with a teenager who took their own life. Those are commendable and tragic, respectively. Yet, it wasn’t his child from what I understand. And yes, there is a difference.

Grace

Grace is a forgotten word in our culture of blame and gotcha. For Christians grace come from God. Webster’s dictionary describes grace as;

d: disposition to or an act or instance of kindness, courtesy, or clemency

All around, I believe there is plenty of room here for grace to be practiced. Grace given to;

The Reid family for their pain that, I am sure, hasn’t fully dissipated.

Mr. Kietzman who surely has not walked in the shoes of someone who did everything they could to save a child.

To all the snap-judgments about Mr. Kietzman and the comments/apology he’s made.

Yet, I invite Mr. Kietzman to reach out to parents who have struggled with their children who have had or currently have mental health challenges, physical disabilities, opioid addicitons. (And, by the way, we are learning more and more how our government and health officials helped to fuel the opoid crisis in our nation all in the name of profits.) Maybe then another word could creep in to the conversation; empathy.

We are each blessed in some area of our lives. Let’s give thanks for those blessings rather than use them as a club for someone not so blessed in the same area of life, whatever or wherever that may be.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

he wrote what he wrote.

This

Just shows he has no backbone.

[Rivaldo]

Clay, you're a ****ing turbo reerun.

[patteeu]

Whitlock is right. This is a huge and disturbing over-reaction to what Keitzman said. I can’t help but think that most of this CP animus has more to do with cumulative petty grievances with Kk over the years and the thrill of a mob kill than it does with protecting Reid from the public expression of widely held but unpleasant thoughts about his son’s tragic death.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Whitlock is right. This is a huge and disturbing over-reaction to what Keitzman said. I can’t help but think that most of this CP animus has more to do with cumulative petty grievances with Kk over the years and the thrill of a mob kill than it does with protecting Reid from the public expression of widely held but unpleasant thoughts about his son’s tragic death.

I agree to an extent. This is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back though. If you ever listened to the guy, (and I don't live in KC but since the Tyreek stuff started, I tuned in on the internet a few times) you'd know he was a maddening complete jackass. People listened to him just to say how much they hated the guy. He was a self righteous blowhard and he just kept pushing the envelope until it fell off a cliff. I don't know how the guy could have gotten back on the air to be honest. He really pissed a lot of people off.

That said, I was surprised he was fired...and I also was not after some reflection. 22 years on that station, dude should know better. He asked for it and finally got it.

[BryanBusby]

He's not right, at all.

To be a professional in the working world, you need to understand professionalism and understanding that when you're working, you're representing a company or a brand and your actions as an employee of that entity reflects on the company.

There are some lines you just do not cross under any circumstances and that was one of them. It doesn't matter which son he was referring to because it was bullshit. Now only was it bullshit, but his point was ****ing wrong.

He had plenty of time to back off his remarks and just kept doubling down on them and dug his own grave. It's not the media's fault KK lost his gig, claytex's fault or the 'SJW' fault that is passively aggressively being implied.

He's an adult and said that shit on his own and made his own decision to essentially defend the comment. It's all on him and now he can rest in piss.

Making a name off being edgy and controversial doesn't come without risks and he didn't play the card right in the end.

[PunkinDrublic]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Whitlock is right. This is a huge and disturbing over-reaction to what Keitzman said. I can’t help but think that most of this CP animus has more to do with cumulative petty grievances with Kk over the years and the thrill of a mob kill than it does with protecting Reid from the public expression of widely held but unpleasant thoughts about his son’s tragic death.

If it was one thing it might’ve been an overreaction. If KK had offered a humble apology he might’ve been able to ride this one out. His pride and arrogance led to his downfall. KK wielded power for a long time and it was unchecked. It happens.

[Lprechaun]

My dads company advertises on the station, I wont say who but I will say that they and other advertisers, their families and employees spoke up against what was said.
It wasnt just CEOs or PR people making the decision to put the pressure on. It was every day people putting pressure on their employers as well.
It hurt personally a lot of people