Veach is the best GM in the NFL

[staylor26]

I don’t think it’s even debatable at this point

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by RunKC

People have false expectations about LT’s.

Orlando Brown again had a passable game. He was excellent the first half. Second half he got a penalty and got beat pretty badly a few times by a 1st ballot HOF.

A first rd LT isn’t gonna do any better. Eric Fisher got his ass kicked by Von Miller too.

I’ve found that Fisher was underrated when he was here and overrated now that he isn’t.

[Sassy Squatch]

We're going to have to give it a go, because Brown and Veach we're already at an impasse with a new contract even before his less than stellar showing so far this season.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I’d love to upgrade over Brown at LT, but how realistic is that? Or is it more realistic to upgrade over Wylie and give Brown more help?

The issue I see right now is that both tackles need help. At least Brown can hold up on bull rushes and is a good run blocker (for whatever that’s worth). Wylie isn’t really good at anything.

Finding a starting quality LT where we’ll be picking doesn’t sound realistic. Finding a RT to be better than Wylie sounds a lot more likely.

Again, I’d love to get a great LT. I just don’t see the path to getting one without getting REALLY lucky.

You fine with giving Brown $23 million a year? Because that’s what it will take. His performance is fine if he’s making $16 million a year. At $20+ million a year he’s absolutely not worth it.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by RunKC

People have false expectations about LT’s.

Orlando Brown again had a passable game. He was excellent the first half. Second half he got a penalty and got beat pretty badly a few times by a 1st ballot HOF.

A first rd LT isn’t gonna do any better. Eric Fisher got his ass kicked by Von Miller too.

Could have traded up a few spots last year for Darrisaw instead of trading for Brown. Darrisaw is a quickly ascending tackle and the spot would have been set at a cheap rate for the next 4-5 years. Overpaying for OBJ isn’t the answer.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

You fine with giving Brown $23 million a year? Because that’s what it will take. His performance is fine if he’s making $16 million a year. At $20+ million a year he’s absolutely not worth it.

Maybe I’m mistaken, but can’t we tag him for another year? That would be my route.

If someone blows us away with a trade offer, then take it. I don’t think that’s likely at this point though.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Maybe I’m mistaken, but can’t we tag him for another year? That would be my route.

If someone blows us away with a trade offer, then take it. I don’t think that’s likely at this point though.

Another tag would be an automatic 20% bump from this year’s salary if I’m not mistaken. That puts him at roughly $20 million and eats up basically all of KCs salary cap in 2023.

[RunKC]

Veach’s biggest task will be the pass rush. I’d like to see one big swing and a small one like Jerry Hughes as depth and then improve the offense with a RT and skill players in the draft.

Josh Allen is a gigantic pussy when he faces pressure. He breaks down and goes full Cassel and panics.

[dannybcaitlyn]

I’m not sure if this was supposed to be a sit back and chill year but there were some notable DE’s available in free agency but he went with the old washed veteran and rookie as his plan of attack. It’s still a question mark if he knows how to evaluate talent on Rb’s , Wr’s and De’s.

[Megatron96]

Lord. Every season we do this. After the draft it's, "Veach is a genius!" Then after the first loss, "fire Veach! He sux!" Then after the team gels around weeks 9-11 we go back to Veach is a genius.

Some of you guys really need to figure out how to stay on one side of the fence. At least for one whole season. Yeesh.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Lord. Every season we do this. After the draft it's, "Veach is a genius!" Then after the first loss, "fire Veach! He sux!" Then after the team gels around weeks 9-11 we go back to Veach is a genius.

Some of you guys really need to figure out how to stay on one side of the fence. At least for one whole season. Yeesh.

Well, he hasn't really drafted any good offensive skill position players so far.

He's had 5 drafts to do this. It's concerning.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Well, he hasn't really drafted any good offensive skill position players so far.

He's had 5 drafts to do this. It's concerning.

That is a fair criticism, another one is saying they made a panic move for a LT that doesn't fit their system while never doing anything about RT.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Well, he hasn't really drafted any good offensive skill position players so far.

He's had 5 drafts to do this. It's concerning.

Sooo, he apparently didn't draft any WRs/TEs and yet the roster is filled with them. he also had to rebuild the Ol in a single season. Pretty much got an A+ for that. Rebuilding the defense this year, mostly the secondary, and there's a lot of talent there.

And in the Veach era, the team has averaged 12.5 wins/season or something very much like that. 4 consecutive AFC-W titles, 3 consecutive AFCC titles, two SB appearances, 1 SB W.

But somehow Veach is doing it wrong. Okay I guess.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Sooo, he apparently didn't draft any WRs/TEs and yet the roster is filled with them. he also had to rebuild the Ol in a single season. Pretty much got an A+ for that. Rebuilding the defense this year, mostly the secondary, and there's a lot of talent there.

And in the Veach era, the team has averaged 12.5 wins/season or something very much like that. 4 consecutive AFC-W titles, 3 consecutive AFCC titles, two SB appearances, 1 SB W.

But somehow Veach is doing it wrong. Okay I guess.

It's a fair criticism to say he didn't draft any good offensive skill guys cause well he didn't.

He used a 1 on a RB that blows and a 2 on a WR that is basically an athlete gadget. And another 2 on a WR that I won't judge this early.

But saying this team is full of WR's and TE's is kinda eh.

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Sooo, he apparently didn't draft any WRs/TEs and yet the roster is filled with them. he also had to rebuild the Ol in a single season. Pretty much got an A+ for that. Rebuilding the defense this year, mostly the secondary, and there's a lot of talent there.

And in the Veach era, the team has averaged 12.5 wins/season or something very much like that. 4 consecutive AFC-W titles, 3 consecutive AFCC titles, two SB appearances, 1 SB W.

But somehow Veach is doing it wrong. Okay I guess.

He needs to get Pat more actual weapons.

Not the JuJus and MVS's of the world.

Actual playmakers.

Once Kelce starts slowing down, who is going to be out there to help make plays for Pat?

That's my concern. A few years ago we had Hunt and Hill. Since losing those guys we haven't even come close to adequately replacing them.

And we've had four years to do that with Kareem and haven't.

That bothers me.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Well, he hasn't really drafted any good offensive skill position players so far.

He's had 5 drafts to do this. It's concerning.

And Skyy and Pacheco can just as easily kill this narrative as early as the end of the season.

It's not like he's put a ton of resources into offensive skill positions either. CEH is the only real huge miss.

People said similar things about LB and CB going back to Dorsey. Then we started throwing more resources at those positions. Now those rooms are filled with young talent.

We will be focusing on WR, OT, and EDGE this offseason, and Veach will continue to make his harshest critics look silly.