***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

It's based on a tiny Chinese study of chemical markers for cardiac damage in Covid patients. The people with damage were overwhelmingly older 70+ and had comorbidities

.All patients were hospitalized.

Ya you are right , hadn't seen the article. Pretty small sample size too.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/healt...udy/index.html

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yes and it is really strange how it hits some easy and others very hard even healthy fit people.

Couldn't this be said for all diseases though?

[DJ's left nut]

So Mizzou has a drive-through test they're administering for free and it's starting to really get hauling pretty nicely.

As of yesterday they'd tested about 1300 people (with rates climbing) and had something like 46 positives. So the positive rate remains exceptionally small (which still makes me question the 'a bunch of people have had this and didn't know it' theory - most people that have stuff that makes them feel bad STILL don't have this).

Average turnaround time on results is about 9 hours.

They're getting referrals from all over (including out of state) so these numbers aren't necessarily representative of any particular area, but they DO demonstrate the logic in the 'don't overwhelm your laboratory capacity' argument. We're being told that results for many people are taking 3 and 4 days and I HAVE to believe that's a result of labs simply having more cases than they can handle.

So again, I think the answer remains testing on a smaller scale until such time as we have the laboratory capacity to ramp up. You need to make sure people in healthcare and who are showing MAJOR symptoms can get results as quickly as possible.

You start testing anyone with the sniffles or anyone who had someone in their building pop positive, you're going to clog the pipes for people who's outcomes really could've been changed.

I expect Mizzou will be capable of firing out 1,000 tests/day in the next week or so - the capacity is coming online and its coming quickly. But in the interim, you have to maintain reasonable testing protocals.

Side note - I can say enough for how quickly/effectively Mizzou has responded to this thing. They're gearing up childcare for their healthcare providers and even campus housing for those that don't want to risk infecting their families. The drive-through testing facility has gone incredibly well and they are putting plans in place to fire up a 2nd one.

They're responding quickly and well, IMO. They have contingencies on contingencies. They're still at the mercy of availability in many respects but they're doing everything they can to stay on top of the situation.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So Mizzou has a drive-through test they're administering for free and it's starting to really get hauling pretty nicely.

As of yesterday they'd tested about 1300 people (with rates climbing) and had something like 46 positives. So the positive rate remains exceptionally small (which still makes me question the 'a bunch of people have had this and didn't know it' theory - most people that have stuff that makes them feel bad STILL don't have this).

Average turnaround time on results is about 9 hours.

They're getting referrals from all over (including out of state) so these numbers aren't necessarily representative of any particular area, but they DO demonstrate the logic in the 'don't overwhelm your laboratory capacity' argument. We're being told that results for many people are taking 3 and 4 days and I HAVE to believe that's a result of labs simply having more cases than they can handle.

So again, I think the answer remains testing on a smaller scale until such time as we have the laboratory capacity to ramp up. You need to make sure people in healthcare and who are showing MAJOR symptoms can get results as quickly as possible.

You start testing anyone with the sniffles or anyone who had someone in their building pop positive, you're going to clog the pipes for people who's outcomes really could've been changed.

I expect Mizzou will be capable of firing out 1,000 tests/day in the next week or so - the capacity is coming online and its coming quickly. But in the interim, you have to maintain reasonable testing protocals.

Side note - I can say enough for how quickly/effectively Mizzou has responded to this thing. They're gearing up childcare for their healthcare providers and even campus housing for those that don't want to risk infecting their families. The drive-through testing facility has gone incredibly well and they are putting plans in place to fire up a 2nd one.

They're responding quickly and well, IMO. They have contingencies on contingencies. They're still at the mercy of availability in many respects but they're doing everything they can to stay on top of the situation.

That's awesome.

But in terms of the positives, that's still a pretty good number of them with that small sample size. Plus you've got a pretty good number of asymptomatic people potentially out there.

I'm not sure where this is headed.

[Discuss Thrower]

1/ This is a remarkable turn from Neil Ferguson, who led the @imperialcollege authors who warned of 500,000 UK deaths - and who has now himself tested positive for #COVID; https://t.co/AfEeePbZL1

— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) March 26, 2020

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

1/ This is a remarkable turn from Neil Ferguson, who led the @imperialcollege authors who warned of 500,000 UK deaths - and who has now himself tested positive for #COVID; https://t.co/AfEeePbZL1

— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) March 26, 2020

I saw this being thrown around

Yes, he changed his numbers to reflect the current steps being taken. He didn't just change the numbers.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

The only thing we can control is rate of spread and number of ventilators we have.

Those are the two factors contributing most to the total number of deaths.

Another factor that's rising is the lack of PPE for health care workers.

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Hope you can opt out. I don't want go pay the extra taxes.

I hope that's trolling because I'm no economist but if you get $1200 in free money even if you have to pay 28% in federal taxes, that is still $864 going into your pocket.

Originally Posted by dirk digler

A little bit ago I had a long convo with my daughter and what she is experiencing in KC in the ICU's unit she works in. Your odds are long if you get hospitalized for this, they have several middle aged or younger patients get it and seem fine with little or no symptoms then drop dead\crash all of a sudden. They have had only 1 so far that is about to be released but that person wasn't on a vent.
.

Has to be ARDS?

[BigRedChief]

This is completely unacceptable in America. Trash bags as PPE's?

We are supposed to be fighting a war. We cant even get basic supplies to our front line fighters. We are endangering every patient and every health care worker in that hospital.

Whatever they are doing to get PPE's to hospitals is not enough.

[BigCatDaddy]

Just can't help himself ^

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

More on the bill:

It is a refundable tax credit - The check acts like a refund you get in advance. When you file your 2020 tax return, the IRS will compare your income numbers.

If you should have gotten more than you did, you’ll get a refund. If the numbers on your 2020 tax return are different from your 2019 tax return, I don’t expect that you’ll have to pay it back (as the bill is written now). Don’t worry: most taxpayers should get just the right amount.

This is not taxable income.

From Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyph.../#60efd56f1f9c

This is how I thought it would work. Im not sure where people were getting the idea that this money is going to be taxed.

So I know that they are going by either the 2018 tax return, 2019 tax return, or your Social Security statement. Does this mean people that have been unemployed or people collecting social security get stimulus money?

[petegz28]

As of now both Mo and Ks are showing no new cases or new deaths.

Meanwhile 4,292 new cases in NY

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Just can't help himself ^

"they"

[Titty Meat]

Did someone really post the mortality rate being 30%? that's higher than any plague known to man. Might be time to ignore this thread if it's just going to turn into some alarmist bullshit.

[Donger]

What the heck is going on in Spain?

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Did someone really post the mortality rate being 30%? that's higher than any plague known to man. Might be time to ignore this thread if it's just going to turn into some alarmist bullshit.

You obviously haven't been monitoring this thread for long