***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Did someone really post the mortality rate being 30%? that's higher than any plague known to man. Might be time to ignore this thread if it's just going to turn into some alarmist bullshit.

only six days until the US reaches 20,000 deaths

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Did someone really post the mortality rate being 30%? that's higher than any plague known to man. Might be time to ignore this thread if it's just going to turn into some alarmist bullshit.

Yep. For the most part, discussion based on people doing basic math with a 4-banger calculator is largely useless.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This is completely unacceptable in America. Trash bags as PPE's?

We are supposed to be fighting a war. We cant even get basic supplies to our front line fighters. We are endangering every patient and every health care worker in that hospital.

Whatever they are doing to get PPE's to hospitals is not enough.

But here's the thing - the only hospitals demonstrating a significant capacity issue right now are in NY and indications now are that sufficient PPE has been secured to battle this to it's apex in NY.

So...dafuq?

WERE they in dire straights? Sure seems that way. Were they ignored? No, and help is inbound.

So seriously - what the hell? This idea that there's someone to blame for everything and "THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE IN AMERICA!!!!" is nutty.

Math is the same here as it is anywhere else. We're responding damn well and yet all some want to do is bitch.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Did someone really post the mortality rate being 30%? that's higher than any plague known to man. Might be time to ignore this thread if it's just going to turn into some alarmist bullshit.

Originally Posted by DaFace

Yep. For the most part, discussion based on people doing basic math with a 4-banger calculator is largely useless.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Donger

What the heck is going on in Spain?

I don't know....are they still out of control?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This is completely unacceptable in America. Trash bags as PPE's?

We are supposed to be fighting a war. We cant even get basic supplies to our front line fighters. We are endangering every patient and every health care worker in that hospital.

Whatever they are doing to get PPE's to hospitals is not enough.

At Mount Sinai, where social media photos show nurses wearing 33-gallon garbage bags as makeshift gowns amid a supply shortage, a nursing manager was listed among the recent fatalities. He was in his 40s.

Cuomo said Thursday his office has reached out to city hospitals and while there may be some spot issues with distribution, they say they have adequate personal protective equipment for now. If they find themselves short, the governor said he'd have the state send more, adding "we have enough PPE for the immediate need." But New York doesn't have enough to last much longer, given an infection rate that Cuomo said earlier this week "continues unabated."

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

I don't know....are they still out of control?

Yes

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This is completely unacceptable in America. Trash bags as PPE's?

We are supposed to be fighting a war. We cant even get basic supplies to our front line fighters. We are endangering every patient and every health care worker in that hospital.

Whatever they are doing to get PPE's to hospitals is not enough.

http://betsymccaughey.com/we-didnt-h...-for-pandemic/

Read this and take from it what you like but NY specifically was warned in 2015 they didn't have enough supplies for a pandemic and they ignored it for the most part.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

http://betsymccaughey.com/we-didnt-h...-for-pandemic/

Read this and take from it what you like but NY specifically was warned in 2015 they didn't have enough supplies for a pandemic and they ignored it for the most part.

Yep. I mean this is not the time to point fingers and what not but that is the fact.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Did someone really post the mortality rate being 30%? that's higher than any plague known to man. Might be time to ignore this thread if it's just going to turn into some alarmist bullshit.

Where have you been? It's been like this the whole time.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

only six days until the US reaches 20,000 deaths

Yea like 2 weeks ago tomorrow I saw the predictions that by this weekend we would have 5 Wuhan's and the skies would be black with the smell of all the burning bodies they would not be able to get to fast enough.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

In the last 6 months the CDC's numbers for just the US in flu deaths surpasses the worlds total for Corona Virus to date.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Donger

What numbers besides total cases and deaths would you like to use at this time?

Ideally, discredit any active case. Use only deaths + recoveries + any asymptomatic + symptomatic person who has recovered.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Where have you been? It's been like this the whole time.

On both ends, to be fair. Some people act like the world is ending. Others act like this is a huge overreaction to just another flu season (though that's died down a bit in the past week or so).

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Did someone really post the mortality rate being 30%? that's higher than any plague known to man. Might be time to ignore this thread if it's just going to turn into some alarmist bullshit.

It's not 30%. I was just trying to illustrate how people are using math wrong.

It COULD be 30% based on cases outside of China that doesn't have a result. But a good chance that some recoveries have and are not being reported. When you factor in people who have it and are mild symptoms but don't seek help it's obviously much lower.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by BWillieHysterical

Ideally, discredit any active case. Use only deaths + recoveries + any asymptomatic + symptomatic person who has recovered.

Considering 80% feel little to nothing? OK

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by BWillieHysterical

It's not 30%. I was just trying to illustrate how people are using math wrong.

It COULD be 30% based on cases outside of China that doesn't have a result. But a good chance that some recoveries have and are not being reported.

You think? Good god dude.