***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Unfortunately this was not the cure as prescribed by Dr. Zelenko, which is highly effective and has resulted in zero deaths. Important distinction.

You don't know if it's effective or not, GoChiefs. You're taking his word, and his creepy and political video, as fact. It's obvious what you're doing. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Belgium joins Bahrain in affirming coronavirus treatment touted by Trump is working for patients. It is ordering doctors to preserve the hydroxychloroquine pills for COVID-19 patients most in need. https://t.co/yu4bG2mlOR

— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) March 26, 2020

If true, this could really be a great breakthrough. What kind of positive results from treatment are they having?

[dirk digler]

I think we are going to start hearing more about this but Covid deaths\cases are being way under reported for various reasons.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...tors-hospitals

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Donger

Under normal circumstances, no, I agree. The fact remains that there have been people who have heard about the magic cure during this pandemic and have died trying it.

There has been a single person who drank fish parasite treatment and died.

The "Darwin Awards" exist for a reason. There is a cottage industry of people doing foolish things for a variety of reasons (including fear) and getting themselves killed.

What that has to do with a football board full of people who are well versed on the history of other posters is completely beyond me.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Donger

Claiming things that aren't proven as fact is irresponsible, and potentially dangerous. We have people here who are seriously scared and might act upon that unproven claim.

There’s an overload of information out there right now

I don’t know how accurate Clays info is, but the same could likely be said for a lot of posters here... real, well meaning medical professionals still can’t fully agree on some aspects of this

Doctor A says hydrochloroquine and Zpacs work

Doctor B says it doesn’t

Etc etc etc

[loochy]

Originally Posted by BWillie

If true, this could really be a great breakthrough. What kind of positive results from treatment are they having?

We're waiting. They have to administer the medication for the complete recommended course, then they have to retest the patients, then they have to wait on the test results, then they'll have to publish the data. Maybe we'll hear real results in a month.

[F150]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Yes. Everyone with a social security number and American (resident / citizen) will get money. 90%

seems not

Will be based on 2018 Tax return

Limits will apply to individuals and filing jointly

Will piss a ton of people off who get zero cause they made too much in 18 and are out of work entirely now...


Unless they change the plan

[carlos3652]

UK has now officially surpassed the 100 deaths per day threshold. Will be interesting to see if it was an anomaly or they go back to their average they have been staying at for the past week (50ish per day)

They hit 87 two days ago, then 41, now 115

[burt]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I think we are going to start hearing more about this but Covid deaths\cases are being way under reported for various reasons.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...tors-hospitals

Given that entire countries are locking down, I totally agree. My SO is a Customs Broker. She was emailed today with official travel papers. We took it as a bit ominous. BUT I won't speculate...unlike others...

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Unfortunately this was not the cure as prescribed by Dr. Zelenko, which is highly effective and has resulted in zero deaths. Important distinction.

I think continued info about this cure is certainly worth monitoring in this thread.

Dad he's doing it again.

[carlos3652]

Originally Posted by F150

seems not

Will be based on 2018 Tax return

Limits will apply to individuals and filing jointly

Will piss a ton of people off who get zero cause they made too much in 18 and are out of work entirely now...


Unless they change the plan

Not true.

Originally Posted by carlos3652

If I read the bill correctly.

If you havent filed 2019, no worries, they will use 2018 to calculate.
If you havent filed 2018, no worries, they will use the social security records to calculate.

For singles - under 75k you get the full 1200.
For married filing jointly - under 150k you get the full 2400.
If you have kids (under 17) 500 each as long as you are under the threshold above.

If you make more, you still get a check of some sort... reduced on income over the amount posted above.

To get 0 -
Single making over 99k,
Married over 198k
You are a dependent on another return.

Pretty sure 90% americans will get something.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...INAL-TEXT.html 883 page bill for you here.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I think we are going to start hearing more about this but Covid deaths\cases are being way under reported for various reasons.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...tors-hospitals

If it is speculated here, one can only imagine how WAY WAY off China likely is in virtually everything associated with their handling of this virus.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

There has been a single person who drank fish parasite treatment and died.

The "Darwin Awards" exist for a reason. There is a cottage industry of people doing foolish things for a variety of reasons (including fear) and getting themselves killed.

What that has to do with a football board full of people who are well versed on the history of other posters is completely beyond me.

I know. And wouldn't it horrible if someone on here who is having a really hard time dealing with this actually believes that this is a cure and meets a bad end? Perhaps it would be better is such things aren't claimed at all unless and until it becomes fact.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Donger

You don't know if it's effective or not, GoChiefs. You're taking his word, and his creepy and political video, as fact. It's obvious what you're doing. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop.

It is, in fact, effective, not only according to Dr. Zelenko, but several other doctors. It is even in scientific journals.



I think there is no harm in disseminating this information, especially as several countries are now restricting the export of these drugs so they can begin trials.

I will not ask you to stop any of your behavior, it is fine to disagree. Perhaps we can agree to disagree in the future, our interaction seems to drag down this thread.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

What the **** does that have to do with anything being discussed here?

I guarantee that having someones brains on you isn’t funny. At least it wasn’t to me.

That you picked that out of all the words I posted suggests you need to take a break from this thread. Your aggressive posts are a daily occurrence.

We were discussing fluids, possible infectious material gettting on healthcare workers when they don’t have the proper PPE. That information was relevant.