***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SupDock]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...tor-ppe-crisis

Story of Elmhurst hospital in NY, lack of PPE, etc

I know, BuzzFeed, I'm sorry. There is a tiny amount of politics, so sorry for that as well.

Overall, an eye opening read, though.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by burt

Ergo...I lurk mostly. Occasional snide comments to depressurize. I AM not even close to an expert on ANY of this. 1 month ago, no one here was.

Heh, you weren’t even on my mind when I posted that

[F150]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I think we are going to start hearing more about this but Covid deaths\cases are being way under reported for various reasons.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...tors-hospitals

Vast majority of deaths involve any number of causal existing ailments, its not ppossible to differentiate why someone died from a heart attack while having the virus....way too much time being spent defining and redefining meaningless numbers and data with no merit

[burt]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Heh, you weren’t even on my mind when I posted that

I am hurt that I wasn't on your mind!!! But I was only agreeing with you.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by loochy

False? No. Unproven? Yes. Why can't either side just agree to wait and see?

False was referring to the headline.

Unproven? Absolutely. Also, there was a warning about azithromycin, which I also posted from the article linked.

I'm of the "Wait and See" approach but it's harmful to post things as fact that are false.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Have you considered the possibility that those workers were either having some fun and/or being dicks?

Yea well the virus has only been around a few months, the Chiefs gave us pain for 30 years.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Donger

On the plus side, gasoline will soon be below $2.00/gallon.

Unfortunately, that will never happen in my state

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

There’s an overload of information out there right now

I don’t know how accurate Clays info is, but the same could likely be said for a lot of posters here... real, well meaning medical professionals still can’t fully agree on some aspects of this

Doctor A says hydrochloroquine and Zpacs work

Doctor B says it doesn’t

Etc etc etc

This, way too many factors and variables to unpack in such a short time, but I am sure everyone here is hoping it is a safe and effective sure.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

You don't know if it's effective or not, GoChiefs. You're taking his word, and his creepy and political video, as fact. It's obvious what you're doing. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop.

Except multiple countries are now starting trials after seeing it be successful. So again its not a CURE its a treatment that has proven effective enough for whole countries to explore the use of it.

Based on the evidence being presented thus far it looks promising. People who choose to believe the evidence provide thus far are not wrong.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Under normal circumstances, no, I agree. The fact remains that there have been people who have heard about the magic cure during this pandemic and have died trying it.

This is stupid as hell even for you.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It is, in fact, effective, not only according to Dr. Zelenko, but several other doctors. It is even in scientific journals.



I think there is no harm in disseminating this information, especially as several countries are now restricting the export of these drugs so they can begin trials.

I will not ask you to stop any of your behavior, it is fine to disagree. Perhaps we can agree to disagree in the future, our interaction seems to drag down this thread.

Great, it shows promise. That isn't what you claimed. Again, please stop.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unfortunately, that will never happen in my state

I just filled my truck up for $33. $1.49 a gal.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Except multiple countries are now starting trials after seeing it be successful. So again its not a CURE its a treatment that has proven effective enough for whole countries to explore the use of it.

Based on the evidence being presented thus far it looks promising. People who choose to believe the evidence provide thus far are not wrong.

See above.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Great, it shows promise. That isn't what you claimed. Again, please stop.

Actually thats exactly what that trial shows. Extrapolated over the entire population maybe not. But that evidence and the Doctor in NY show exactly what he is talking about.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Except multiple countries are now starting trials after seeing it be successful. So again its not a CURE its a treatment that has proven effective enough for whole countries to explore the use of it.

Based on the evidence being presented thus far it looks promising. People who choose to believe the evidence provide thus far are not wrong.

To be clear, there is very little evidence at this point, and the studies are poorly designed. This is understandable because things are happening very fast.
That doesn't mean that it doesn't have potential. I'm just saying the data isn't high quality.

I don't blame countries for not exporting it, but that is in anticipation of incoming data continuing to be good. That doesn't mean they know something that we don't.