Chiefs Evaluate the Defense Game #1 - Page 8

**petegz28** · 09-08-2019, 03:24 PM

I thought they looked improved from several aspects. Keep in mind this was Jax and not a high-powered offense.

Tackling = Much, MUCH better

Coverage = Tighter. Few plays without a defender right on the WR

Run Defense = Stellar start, let's not get cocky

Pass Defense = Not a ton of pressure today. Missed a huge sack which ended up leading to a TD. Coverage overall was decent. Made a backup look all-world but that happens when a backup comes in mid-game.

Overall it looked like we were more sound fundamentally. Run gaps were getting filled, screens were getting blown up and not a ton of YAC. Hopefully as the season progresses our defense will as well.

Overall grade today: C+

duncan_idaho · 09-09-2019, 07:11 AM

I was interested in the splits once the Chiefs went up 24 points at the start of the 4th quarter.

Jacksonville picked up 154 yards (36 percent) on its last two drives and scored 2/3 touchdowns once the game was effectively out of reach.

Yeah, they gave up a high completion percentage to Menschew, but he did it in a very Alex Smith-like way. Lot of short, quick throws (not Foles’ strength, so different than what they would have prepped/game planned for).

There are concerns on D for sure - the CB play is still pretty weak, hoping Claiborne can be an upgrade at an outside corner once he’s healthy - but a couple of garbage time drives made it look a lot less capable than it performed.

Any week the Chiefs’ D:
1) holds the opponent to less than 100 yards rushing
2) holds the opponent scoreless until the Chiefs have a two-score lead
3) forces 2 turnovers

... I’ll like KC’s chances. The big keys to me are being able to get stops when the game is close (check in 1st and 3rd quarters) and keeping the opposing team from gouging them 4 yards at a time for long, sustained drives that kill the clock and keep the ball away from the offense, I’ll take it.

We’re going to see more exotic stuff from Spanuolo, too. I didn’t see any corner blitzes yesterday, or any sort of zone blitzing, really.

I still want them to go get Patrick Peterson at the trade deadline, but I see reasons for hope at least...

Skyy God · 09-09-2019, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump

was Breeland out there a lot? I noticed he didn't have any tackles and had 1 PD. Which could mean that he covered so well that they never threw near him or he didn't play much?

Breland made plays, especially before we went up 27.

rabblerouser · 09-09-2019, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump

was Breeland out there a lot? I noticed he didn't have any tackles and had 1 PD. Which could mean that he covered so well that they never threw near him or he didn't play much?

Breeland really had a good game. He was ballin' out.

duncan_idaho · 09-09-2019, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Breeland really had a good game. He was ballin' out.

He also recovered the Fournette fumble, which was a game-sealing play, basically.

Coochie liquor · 09-09-2019, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

I'm fine with the benefit of the doubt and I completely understand it.

But when you face an offense that is forced to play a 6th-round rookie off the bench and he completes almost 90% of his throws, that is something to be concerned about.

With 2 rookie tackles starting also. I can tell you for sure it was HOT!! Not sure how much that really plays into it, but I guarantee it was a bit of a factor. We def have a lot to improve on. Hopefully we get it together sooner than later. I though we would heavily exploit the tackles but didn’t turn out that way.

Mecca · 09-09-2019, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

With 2 rookie tackles starting also. I can tell you for sure it was HOT!! Not sure how much that really plays into it, but I guarantee it was a bit of a factor. We def have a lot to improve on. Hopefully we get it together sooner than later. I though we would heavily exploit the tackles but didn’t turn out that way.

The exploit was Clark got them called for holding several times.

RunKC · 09-09-2019, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I’ve sobered up a bit from yesterday

Defense was fine. Gave up 13 points then just played prevent

It was 37-13 with 9 minutes to go in the game. That’s pretty ****ing good

We curb stomped a pretty good defense and made them wanna just mouth and fight

People can’t handle this offense

I’ll give them a pass for the 2nd half simply bc we were up and it was a record heat day in Jacksonville. The temp on the field at kickoff was right at 100. At the start of the 2nd half it was at about 110.

It still doesn’t excuse giving up 3rd and 18. Good Christ that pisses me off. Absolutely no excuse for that.

O.city · 09-09-2019, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I’ll give them a pass for the 2nd half simply bc we were up and it was a record heat day in Jacksonville. The temp on the field at kickoff was right at 100. At the start of the 2nd half it was at about 110.

It still doesn’t excuse giving up 3rd and 18. Good Christ that pisses me off. Absolutely no excuse for that.

Yeah, Jones got a hand on him there and he just wiggled out. Sucks, but I guess it is what it is.

O.city · 09-09-2019, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I was interested in the splits once the Chiefs went up 24 points at the start of the 4th quarter.

Jacksonville picked up 154 yards (36 percent) on its last two drives and scored 2/3 touchdowns once the game was effectively out of reach.

Yeah, they gave up a high completion percentage to Menschew, but he did it in a very Alex Smith-like way. Lot of short, quick throws (not Foles’ strength, so different than what they would have prepped/game planned for).

There are concerns on D for sure - the CB play is still pretty weak, hoping Claiborne can be an upgrade at an outside corner once he’s healthy - but a couple of garbage time drives made it look a lot less capable than it performed.

Any week the Chiefs’ D:
1) holds the opponent to less than 100 yards rushing
2) holds the opponent scoreless until the Chiefs have a two-score lead
3) forces 2 turnovers

... I’ll like KC’s chances. The big keys to me are being able to get stops when the game is close (check in 1st and 3rd quarters) and keeping the opposing team from gouging them 4 yards at a time for long, sustained drives that kill the clock and keep the ball away from the offense, I’ll take it.

We’re going to see more exotic stuff from Spanuolo, too. I didn’t see any corner blitzes yesterday, or any sort of zone blitzing, really.

I still want them to go get Patrick Peterson at the trade deadline, but I see reasons for hope at least...

Peterson, Ramsey, Howard whoever.

Not even because they necessarily need it to win the West, or whatever. But, with what NE has built up there, you're gonna need to just go full on arms race to be able to beat them in January.

Buckweath · 09-09-2019, 07:42 AM

The only real concern is the pass coverage.

The passrush wasn't bad yesterday and I'm not at all concerned by the passrush.

scho63 · 09-09-2019, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

The only real concern is the pass coverage.

The passrush wasn't bad yesterday and I'm not at all concerned by the passrush.

Not sure I agree with that........

Mecca · 09-09-2019, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63

Not sure I agree with that........

You have to take into account that they are a new defense that prepared for Foles and when they got a guy who scrambled around it was completely not what they were prepping to play.

GloryDayz · 09-09-2019, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

The only real concern is the pass coverage.

The passrush wasn't bad yesterday and I'm not at all concerned by the passrush.

Wow.. They had a rookie beat up our secondary partly because the pass rush hardly pressured him.

duncan_idaho · 09-09-2019, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Wow.. They had a rookie beat up our secondary partly because the pass rush hardly pressured him.

Part of that is getting the ball out quick. Part of it is Jax getting flagged for 5 holds. Part of it is playing base sets and not doing any of the exotic blitzing Spagnuolo is known for.

The Chiefs aren’t going to be as effective rushing 4 this year as they were last year. They personnel changes dictate that.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2019, 08:24 AM

I still stand by my C+ grade but almost want to move them up to a B- for the following reasons:

1. Pass rush was minimal but Spags probably dialed it back since the two T's were rooks and the backup came in and you aren't sure what is going on.

2. Again on the pass rush, this was the starters real first time playing and it was on the road and 110+ degrees on the field. Not easy to get and keep your legs in that weather.

3. We stuffed the run rather effectively

4. We blew up screens and such like we usually didn't do

5. Minced-Cashew actually threw some nice passes that were quick and on target.Backup or not he played a good game

6. Most of the points the Jags scored really were moot. We had the lead and it was far gone. In that heat and it being the first game I can see Spags and the D dialing back a bit for multiple reasons

7. Given the way the game was unfolding I think Spags may have stayed bland knowing we have a division game on the other coast next week

8. Given as quick as we scored the D is going to give up yards. They didn't give up points. For all intents and purposes they gave up 19 points which I can live with in any game. Especially a road game.

09-08-2019, 03:24 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2274127	Evaluate the Defense Game #1 I thought they looked improved from several aspects. Keep in mind this was Jax and not a high-powered offense. Tackling = Much, MUCH better Coverage = Tighter. Few plays without a defender right on the WR Run Defense = Stellar start, let's not get cocky Pass Defense = Not a ton of pressure today. Missed a huge sack which ended up leading to a TD. Coverage overall was decent. Made a backup look all-world but that happens when a backup comes in mid-game. Overall it looked like we were more sound fundamentally. Run gaps were getting filled, screens were getting blown up and not a ton of YAC. Hopefully as the season progresses our defense will as well. Overall grade today: C+
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09-09-2019, 07:11 AM	#106
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1240308	I was interested in the splits once the Chiefs went up 24 points at the start of the 4th quarter. Jacksonville picked up 154 yards (36 percent) on its last two drives and scored 2/3 touchdowns once the game was effectively out of reach. Yeah, they gave up a high completion percentage to Menschew, but he did it in a very Alex Smith-like way. Lot of short, quick throws (not Foles’ strength, so different than what they would have prepped/game planned for). There are concerns on D for sure - the CB play is still pretty weak, hoping Claiborne can be an upgrade at an outside corner once he’s healthy - but a couple of garbage time drives made it look a lot less capable than it performed. Any week the Chiefs’ D: 1) holds the opponent to less than 100 yards rushing 2) holds the opponent scoreless until the Chiefs have a two-score lead 3) forces 2 turnovers ... I’ll like KC’s chances. The big keys to me are being able to get stops when the game is close (check in 1st and 3rd quarters) and keeping the opposing team from gouging them 4 yards at a time for long, sustained drives that kill the clock and keep the ball away from the offense, I’ll take it. We’re going to see more exotic stuff from Spanuolo, too. I didn’t see any corner blitzes yesterday, or any sort of zone blitzing, really. I still want them to go get Patrick Peterson at the trade deadline, but I see reasons for hope at least... __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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09-09-2019, 07:42 AM	#115
Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	The only real concern is the pass coverage. The passrush wasn't bad yesterday and I'm not at all concerned by the passrush.
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09-09-2019, 08:24 AM	#120
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2274127	I still stand by my C+ grade but almost want to move them up to a B- for the following reasons: 1. Pass rush was minimal but Spags probably dialed it back since the two T's were rooks and the backup came in and you aren't sure what is going on. 2. Again on the pass rush, this was the starters real first time playing and it was on the road and 110+ degrees on the field. Not easy to get and keep your legs in that weather. 3. We stuffed the run rather effectively 4. We blew up screens and such like we usually didn't do 5. Minced-Cashew actually threw some nice passes that were quick and on target.Backup or not he played a good game 6. Most of the points the Jags scored really were moot. We had the lead and it was far gone. In that heat and it being the first game I can see Spags and the D dialing back a bit for multiple reasons 7. Given the way the game was unfolding I think Spags may have stayed bland knowing we have a division game on the other coast next week 8. Given as quick as we scored the D is going to give up yards. They didn't give up points. For all intents and purposes they gave up 19 points which I can live with in any game. Especially a road game.
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