KC Man spits on Jane Fonda

[crossbow]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../fonda_spitter

TIM CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A man spit tobacco juice into the face of actress Jane Fonda after waiting in line to have her sign her new book, police said.

The man ran off but was quickly caught by police Tuesday night and charged with disorderly conduct.


Fonda has been on tour and doing interviews to promote her just-published memoir, "My Life So Far." The thrice-married, two-time Academy Award winner covers a wide array of topics, including her 1972 visit to Hanoi to protest the Vietnam War, during which she was photographed on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. She has apologized for that photo, but not for opposing the war.


Capt. Rich Lockhart of the Kansas City Police Department said that although Fonda did not want to press charges against Michael A. Smith, 54, of Kansas City, he was arrested on a municipal charge of disorderly conduct after off-duty officers caught him just outside Unity Temple, where Fonda was signing books.


Lockhart said Smith was released on bond late Tuesday night and is due to appear in municipal court on May 27.


Smith, a Vietnam veteran, told The Kansas City Star on Wednesday that Fonda was a "traitor" and that her protests against the war were unforgivable. He said he normally does not chew tobacco but did so Tuesday solely to spit juice on the actress.


"I consider it a debt of honor," he told The Star for a story on its Web site, www.kansascity.com. "She spit in our faces for 37 years. It was absolutely worth it. There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did."

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

He gets paid by the hour. You owe him a few hundy now.

Haha.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jcroft

Well, no matter what anyone believes, if she wasn't convicted of treason, then she wouldn't have even been executed back in the times you remember so fondly.

That's precisely my point. Back in the good ole days, we would have charged her, tried her, found her guilty and whacked her.

She directly gave aid and comfort to the enemy during time of war.

You may call that she wasn't "progressive;" I call it weakness on the part of the US government.

Horseshit, too.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

He gets paid by the hour. You owe him a few hundy now.

Heh. Is BL a lawyer? Most lawyers I know will always use 100 words when three will suffice.

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by Donger

You may call that she wasn't "progressive;" I call it weakness on the part of the US government.

No, I wouldn't call that progressive at all. I'm in agreement with you here. Sounds like she definitely should have been tried, if what you all are saying is true.

The only place we disagree is in what should have happened to her after she was tried and found guilty.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Of course. It's in the newbie handguide. Didn't you get one when you joined?

I was supposed to read it? Shit.

First the cop tells me that those "speed limit signs" are NOT suggestions, and now this.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jcroft

No, I wouldn't call that progressive at all. I'm in agreement with you here. Sounds like she definitely should have been tried, if what you all are saying is true.

The only place we disagree is in what should have happened to her after she was tried and found guilty.

So, with this new information, do you think that getting spat upon is rather lenient punishment? Hell, she was part of the group (FTA) that routinely spat upon our soldiers returning home from Vietnam.

Again, she got off easy, IMO.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Those stop signs w/ the white borders? Really are optional. Don't believe those lying pigs.

You remember that?

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by Donger

So, with this new information, do you think that getting spat upon is rather lenient punishment?

I think it's a pretty damn harsh punishment for someone who wasn't charged with a crime. Besides, even if she had been charged with a crime and found guilty, was it this guy's job to punish her?

But that was never my point. I said long ago in this thread it sounds like she deserved it. My point was that the guy who did it showed no class, whether she deserved it or not, and I don't like like seeing national stories that make the KC area look like a place full of classless people.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jcroft

I think it's a pretty damn harsh punishment for someone who wasn't charged with a crime.

But that was never my point. I said long ago in this thread it sounds like she deserved it. My point was that the guy who did it showed no class, whether she deserved it or not, and I don't like like seeing national stories that make the KC area look like a place full of classless people.

The fact that she wasn't charged doesn't mean she didn't commit treason.

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by Donger

The fact that she wasn't charged doesn't mean she didn't commit treason.

Yes, but the fact that a few rightwingers say she committed treason doesn't mean she did, either.

I'm not doubting what you say, though. I'm just saying that this guy (the spitter) wasn't within his rights to try her himself (in his head) and punish her himself (by spitting on her). But my original point didn't even go that far -- I was just saying it was classless, and that's all.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by jcroft

But I still think it was classless to spit on her.

Is it classless if you use another form of male fluid on her face... There are thousands of female porn stars that would disagree with you...

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Is it classless if you use another form of male fluid on her face... There are thousands of female porn stars that would disagree with you...

Those female porn stars (and your girlfriend) WANT me to cum on their face. Apples and oranges.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jcroft

Yes, but the fact that a few rightwingers say she committed treason doesn't mean she did, either.

I'm not doubting what you say, though. I'm just saying that this guy (the spitter) wasn't within his rights to try her himself (in his head) and punish her himself (by spitting on her). But my original point didn't even go that far -- I was just saying it was classless, and that's all.

Rightwingers didn't create the picture of her on a North Vietnamese AA gun during a time of war when that same gun was being used to shot at our aircraft.

Nor did rightwingers make up this:

This is Jane Fonda. During my two week visit in the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, I've had the opportunity to visit a great many places and speak to a large number of people from all walks of life- workers, peasants, students, artists and dancers, historians, journalists, film actresses, soldiers, militia girls, members of the women's union, writers.

I visited the (Dam Xuac) agricultural coop, where the silk worms are also raised and thread is made. I visited a textile factory, a kindergarten in Hanoi. The beautiful Temple of Literature was where I saw traditional dances and heard songs of resistance. I also saw unforgettable ballet about the guerrillas training bees in the south to attack enemy soldiers. The bees were danced by women, and they did their job well.

In the shadow of the Temple of Literature I saw Vietnamese actors and actresses perform the second act of Arthur Miller's play All My Sons, and this was very moving to me- the fact that artists here are translating and performing American plays while US imperialists are bombing their country.

I cherish the memory of the blushing militia girls on the roof of their factory, encouraging one of their sisters as she sang a song praising the blue sky of Vietnam- these women, who are so gentle and poetic, whose voices are so beautiful, but who, when American planes are bombing their city, become such good fighters.

I cherish the way a farmer evacuated from Hanoi, without hesitation, offered me, an American, their best individual bomb shelter while US bombs fell near by. The daughter and I, in fact, shared the shelter wrapped in each others arms, cheek against cheek. It was on the road back from Nam Dinh, where I had witnessed the systematic destruction of civilian targets- schools, hospitals, pagodas, the factories, houses, and the dike system.

As I left the United States two weeks ago, Nixon was again telling the American people that he was winding down the war, but in the rubble- strewn streets of Nam Dinh, his words echoed with sinister (words indistinct) of a true killer. And like the young Vietnamese woman I held in my arms clinging to me tightly- and I pressed my cheek against hers- I thought, this is a war against Vietnam perhaps, but the tragedy is America's.

One thing that I have learned beyond a shadow of a doubt since I've been in this country is that Nixon will never be able to break the spirit of these people; he'll never be able to turn Vietnam, north and south, into a neo- colony of the United States by bombing, by invading, by attacking in any way. One has only to go into the countryside and listen to the peasants describe the lives they led before the revolution to understand why every bomb that is dropped only strengthens their determination to resist. I've spoken to many peasants who talked about the days when their parents had to sell themselves to landlords as virtually slaves, when there were very few schools and much illiteracy, inadequate medical care, when they were not masters of their own lives.

But now, despite the bombs, despite the crimes being created- being committed against them by Richard Nixon, these people own their own land, build their own schools- the children learning, literacy- illiteracy is being wiped out, there is no more prostitution as there was during the time when this was a French colony. In other words, the people have taken power into their own hands, and they are controlling their own lives.

And after 4,000 years of struggling against nature and foreign invaders- and the last 25 years, prior to the revolution, of struggling against French colonialism- I don't think that the people of Vietnam are about to compromise in any way, shape or form about the freedom and independence of their country, and I think Richard Nixon would do well to read Vietnamese history, particularly their poetry, and particularly the poetry written by Ho Chi Minh.

[jcroft]

Well, I haven't read all that yet, but I can see you missed the point. I BELIEVE you that she was a traitor. I've been convinced of that since the first page of this thread.

But, even so, I still think it was classless of some random guy to spit on her. Perhaps a judge should have sentenced her to being spit on (or worse), but it wasn't this guy's job to take it under his own control.

Plus, it was classless (have I mentioned that?).

[jcroft]

Okay, I have no read all of that, and I didn't find anything in it that would make her a traitor. I'm not saying she wasn't a traitor -- just that nothing in that post says so.

Everything she said there would be protected by her freedom of speech, I would think. Just like Natalie Maines had a right to speak out aganist the war, so did Jane.

Now, if she did something to aid the enemy, that could be a different story. I'm not sure what the definition of treason is, exactly (as far as the law is concerned), but I know just visiting a country we are fighting with and speaking out aganist a war wouldn't qualify.

What else did she do?