For those that want to draft a WR in the first round....

[chop]

Doesn't look like it will happen.

http://www.kansascity.com/160/story/69032.html

Chiefs won’t get grabby

Team doesn’t place a high priority on wide receivers in the upcoming NFL draft.

By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star


Herm Edwards was talking recently about the players who will catch passes for the Chiefs next season. He took care to mention two young wide receivers, Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon, even though they had three receptions between them as rookies last season.
“We’ve got two young guys, and I want to see whether they can play or not,” Edwards said. “I know one thing: We don’t cover them in practice very well.”
Is it just draft talk, designed to convince the NFL’s 31 other teams the Chiefs have no intention of selecting a receiver in the upcoming player lottery?
Perhaps. But know two things. First, Edwards isn’t big, even in the days leading to the draft, on talking up prospects he doesn’t have expectations for.
The other is that the Chiefs don’t view improving the position as a top priority, certainly not as much as their fans do. They made no move in free-agency to sign a wide receiver.
The only top wide receiver known to be visiting with the Chiefs next week, when they intend to bring up to 30 draft prospects to Arrowhead Stadium, is Robert Meachem of Tennessee.
Among the top receivers not scheduled to visit are Sidney Rice of South Carolina, Steve Smith of USC, Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis of LSU, Paul Williams of Fresno State and Yamon Figurs of Kansas State.
While this is insignificant taken alone, it is another indication the Chiefs believe they have bigger positional priorities in the draft, such as cornerback and defensive tackle.
The Chiefs could use another wide receiver and will probably select at least one. They may be content to wait until later in the draft to do it.
“When you draft a receiver in the first round, a lot of times it’s buyer beware,” Edwards said. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations.
“You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.”
Unless a draft pick pushes his way into the playing rotation, starters Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker along with Webb and Hannon will be the top wide receivers next season.
The Chiefs are trying to trade Dante Hall, who hasn’t given them what they hoped as either a slot receiver or kick returner in recent seasons. He may be released if he isn’t traded.
The Chiefs are counting on dramatic improvement from Webb, a sixth-round pick last year, and Hannon, who wasn’t drafted. Webb is bigger and more physical, and Hannon is faster but must get stronger.
“They’ve got some talent,” Edwards said. “They have enough that they’ve earned the opportunity to try to play. That’s what we’ve emphasized. We’re trying to create competition.
“It’s just a matter of getting to the details of what we’re trying to do. Now they know what we want from them. They’re not just trying to figure out what to do. ”
To Webb and Hannon, it’s a gift that the Chiefs haven’t added a wide receiver, at least so far.
“That’s the coach’s decision,” Webb said. “I don’t know what they’re thinking. All I can do is work on Jeff Webb and try to be a good player.
“Hannon and I are doing our jobs right now. We’re working extra hours when it comes time to lift weights and (spending) extra hours out on the practice field with Brodie (Croyle).”
Kennison has been a regular at the offseason workouts since they began almost two weeks ago. He recently turned 34, an advanced age for a wide receiver.
But Kennison keeps himself in good physical condition. His streak of two straight 1,000-yard seasons was ended last year, but that had more to do with problems elsewhere in the Chiefs’ passing game than with any drop-off in Kennison’s play.
“I’m not going to let anybody else determine when I retire from this game,” he said. “I want to retire when I’m ready. And I’m not ready.
“I’m better at taking care of myself: diet, exercise, doing the things that are right all the time. I’m not a guy that hangs out in the nightspots. I’m not a drinker. I keep finding ways to do things better. The workouts continue to get better for me. It makes things easier. That’s my whole deal.”

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by milkman

No, missed it.

I knew very little of him before seeing it.

He dropped because of a torn bicep, pretty knarly injury, but he just last week has medical clearance for camp. That alone should put him as at least the number three DT in the draft, ahead of Tank (according to Mike Mayock).

Here's what impresses me as his character - he injured himself in the game against (florida, I think) and he said he did what he thought a Good Defensive captain should do, he played through the pain. After the game he was diagnosed with a torn bicep and needed surgery, thus ending his final year in college.

- I want a guy that likes to play the game. He does.

Also, he was still injured at the combine and could have easily said so and waited for his pro-day to work out, but he didn't. the only thing he didn't do at the combine is the bench.

His stats at Ten, were pretty good, he's a motor penetrating DT and would fit in with what we want pretty darn well.

Not saying I know we will pick him, I don't have a problem with us picking him at 23 is all I'm trying to say. And I don't want the bottom of the tier at WR just because everyone thinks that's what we need.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Whoops.

S-A-R-C-A-S-M. Sarcasm.

No spelling bees for me......

[milkman]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

I knew very little of him before seeing it.

He dropped because of a torn bicep, pretty knarly injury, but he just last week has medical clearance for camp. That alone should put him as at least the number three DT in the draft, ahead of Tank (according to Mike Mayock).

Here's what impresses me as his character - he injured himself in the game against (florida, I think) and he said he did what he thought a Good Defensive captain should do, he played through the pain. After the game he was diagnosed with a torn bicep and needed surgery, thus ending his final year in college.

- I want a guy that likes to play the game. He does.

Also, he was still injured at the combine and could have easily said so and waited for his pro-day to work out, but he didn't. the only thing he didn't do at the combine is the bench.

His stats at Ten, were pretty good, he's a motor penetrating DT and would fit in with what we want pretty darn well.

Not saying I know we will pick him, I don't have a problem with us picking him at 23 is all I'm trying to say. And I don't want the bottom of the tier at WR just because everyone thinks that's what we need.

That's the thing.

I got the sense that Harrell was pretty highly thought of at the start of the season, and had he not been injured, he might well have been a lower first round prospect by season's end.

His workouts might have moved him up into top 20.

Because he lost the season to injury his stock fell, and his workouts have moved him back up to where he should have been if not for that injury.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by milkman

That's the thing.

I got the sense that Harrell was pretty highly thought of at the start of the season, and had he not been injured, he might well have been a lower first round prospect by season's end.

His workouts might have moved him up into top 20.

Because he lost the season to injury his stock fell, and his workouts have moved him back up to where he should have been if not for that injury.

I get what you are saying, heck yeah, no telling how good the season could have went, he may have even been number 1 or 2 on the list of DT's.

I just didn't understand the "damaged goods" type of comment. It was a real injury and he still finished that game, I don't know that I could have done it......

He was humble and well spoken in his interview too, I know that doesn't mean everything but you can start to get a pretty good sense about a guy.

You know, Pacman sounded a little rehearsed in his interview with sanders, well Harrell sounded much more natural

[milkman]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

I get what you are saying, heck yeah, no telling how good the season could have went, he may have even been number 1 or 2 on the list of DT's.

I just didn't understand the "damaged goods" type of comment. It was a real injury and he still finished that game, I don't know that I could have done it......

He was humble and well spoken in his interview too, I know that doesn't mean everything but you can start to get a pretty good sense about a guy.

You know, Pacman sounded a little rehearsed in his interview with sanders, well Harrell sounded much more natural

Harrell does have an injury history aside from the biceps.
Broken ankle that cost him 5 or 6 games in his Soph(?) season, and another ankle injury in his Junior year, so it does lead to durability questions.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by milkman

Harrell does have an injury history aside from the biceps.
Broken ankle that cost him 5 or 6 games in his Soph(?) season, and another ankle injury in his Junior year, so it does lead to durability questions.

I admit, I hadn't heard about the other injuries, so maybe that's where that comes from.

My appologies to the "damaged goods" comment makers.....

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by milkman

Harrell does have an injury history aside from the biceps.
Broken ankle that cost him 5 or 6 games in his Soph(?) season, and another ankle injury in his Junior year, so it does lead to durability questions.

didn't the Chiefs have a Guard that blew a bicep and he never was the same?

left guard .... went to New York later to be near his sick kid

can't remember his name

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Laz

didn't the Chiefs have a Guard that blew a bicep and he never was the same?

left guard .... went to New York later to be near his sick kid

can't remember his name

Szott

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Laz

didn't the Chiefs have a Guard that blew a bicep and he never was the same?

left guard .... went to New York later to be near his sick kid

can't remember his name

Age might be a factor in recovery for that injury.

[Mecca]

Harrell was injury prone in college........that's why I say that if you pick him you should just expect it.

I'm just going on what I think and I think this is a God awful DT year, 2 of these guys would be 1st rounders in a normal year the rest wouldn't, I don't want 2nd round talent in the first because the Chiefs wan't a DT so bad they forget what value is about.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Harrell was injury prone in college........that's why I say that if you pick him you should just expect it.

I'm just going on what I think and I think this is a God awful DT year, 2 of these guys would be 1st rounders in a normal year the rest wouldn't, I don't want 2nd round talent in the first because the Chiefs wan't a DT so bad they forget what value is about.

and I guess I was just agreeing with you basically, except I think Ginn could be second round talent too.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

and I guess I was just agreeing with you basically, except I think Ginn could be second round talent too.

Like I said I'm not a big fan of his either but I consider him 1st value, his special teams ability and speed puts him there.

By the way GoChiefs little report on him was wrong Todd McShay said he ran 4.39-4.49 in his 40's.

I'd rather have Ginn than one of the reach tackles like Tank Tyler.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Like I said I'm not a big fan of his either but I consider him 1st value, his special teams ability and speed puts him there.

By the way GoChiefs little report on him was wrong Todd McShay said he ran 4.39-4.49 in his 40's.

I'd rather have Ginn than one of the reach tackles like Tank Tyler.

Sorry, I thought we were just comparing the idea of taking either Ginn or Harrell, not tank.

I don't have a problem with WR as a first rounder, but think it should be Bowe or Jarrett, bigger, good blockers and good route runners, we have a couple speedy guys already. So that counts Ginn out in my opinion.

Tank is big, but I don't know that he's good fit for us, maybe if we got lucky enough for him to be there in the second, not for a first. However if Bowe and Jarrett are gone and Harrell is there, that wouldn't be a reach IMO. That's all I'm going for. Harrell over Ginn if that's the two choices. In reality though it's also going to depend on who else is available, CB or even OT, but I hope for someone that has starting potential for us.

I think they said Harrell could even play DE in a 3-4 and we have that as a possible package for us, and we need versitality on the d line because of the alcoholic allen.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Harrell was injury prone in college........that's why I say that if you pick him you should just expect it.

which is why he'll probably go in the top half of the 2nd round.


you really don't want to draft a guy with questions in the 1st round.

[Mecca]

I think Bowe is going to go before our pick honestly.....I think Revis will also.

I think we're gonna be lookin at Ginn who I think will go right around our pick, Jarrett, one of the rising workout corners like Eric Wright and those reach DTs.......