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Old 12-17-2007, 06:52 PM   #1
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I notice a trend with the people bashing Herms picks, they seem to have nothing factual to base their bashing on. They use exaggerations or made up stats to make their iffy points.
I am not trying to bash his picks. I like some and don't like some. Like anyone else, or any coach's picks. But I am also not going to sugar coat what we have in some of these players. For instance, I was big on Pollard, so far it is not looking real good. On the other hand he has not gotten near the playing time that Page has, so I will not give up on him yet.
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Old 12-17-2007, 06:58 PM   #2
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I notice a trend with the people bashing Herms picks, they seem to have nothing factual to base their bashing on. They use exaggerations or made up stats to make their iffy points.
I think it's more of a "backlash" response, Mr. Messier. You know, in reaction to all the posts regarding what a fabulous drafter person Herm is. For a while there, one would think that Herm invented college football, the draft, and could mind-meld with 1000 players simultaneously to determine their futures.

In fact, his drafts have been okay - but not spectacular by any means.

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Old 12-17-2007, 09:24 PM   #3
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I think it's more of a "backlash" response, Mr. Messier. You know, in reaction to all the posts regarding what a fabulous drafter person Herm is. For a while there, one would think that Herm invented college football, the draft, and could mind-meld with 1000 players simultaneously to determine their futures.

In fact, his drafts have been okay - but not spectacular by any means.

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Now thats funny right there!

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Old 12-17-2007, 09:09 PM   #4
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Because he hasn't got to run his style offense for a very conservative coach.

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Old 12-17-2007, 09:12 PM   #5
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Because he hasn't got to run his style offense for a very conservative coach.

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LOL...you do realize that Joe Gibbs was coordinating the Coryell offense back in San Diego?

Saunders is overrated. He's about as good as the talent he has to work with. No more, no less.
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:39 PM   #7
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:07 PM   #8
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So the alternative to Hern, is, I assume, not a retread coach, you wouldn't want that, right? I guess we could call Dennis Green. Or a college coach, we're seeing how that doesn't work. Cower said he isn't coming back. So, a really good can't miss coordinator. Be sure to allow a good two more years of 5 wins while he gets his "guys" on the team. Come on. We're on a freight train that left the station. Herm's plan will either work or it won't, but he'll be given the chance, as he should.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:20 PM   #9
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LOL.....well when you are breaking in a young QB, you aren't gonna be a top 5 offense, that's all that needs to be said for the Skins. You can have all the skill position players in the world Jason Campbell is/was a first year starter.

Also Chris Cooley ain't no elite TE, there are at least 5 better ones, if not more.

This Herm drafting shit is funny, he's decent at it. That doesn't make the drafts great because they are better than the awful shit they were before..."hey we got a starter in the first round in both Herms drafts" guess what.....you're suppose to you dumb ****.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:26 PM   #10
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LOL.....well when you are breaking in a young QB, you aren't gonna be a top 5 offense
Top 5 is one thing. If Saunders was so great you'd think the Skins could be, oh, maybe top 15? They don't even approach it. And they haven't improved over last season, either.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:27 PM   #11
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LOL.....well when you are breaking in a young QB, you aren't gonna be a top 5 offense, that's all that needs to be said for the Skins. You can have all the skill position players in the world Jason Campbell is/was a first year starter.

Also Chris Cooley ain't no elite TE, there are at least 5 better ones, if not more.

This Herm drafting shit is funny, he's decent at it. That doesn't make the drafts great because they are better than the awful shit they were before..."hey we got a starter in the first round in both Herms drafts" guess what.....you're suppose to you dumb ****.
You REALLY don't know what you're talking about, do you?

Last year, the Redskins started Mark Brunell. Why weren't they an elite offense then?

Name the 5 TE's that are better than Cooley, then tell me he's not elite.

Gates
Witten
Gonzalez
Cooley
Winslow

These guys have the most catches in the NFL as tight ends. Cooley's got 7 TD's, 2 more than Gonzalez and Winslow and two less than Gates.

If he's not elite, I guess either is anyone outside of Gates.
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Old 12-18-2007, 04:00 PM   #12
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Also Chris Cooley ain't no elite TE, there are at least 5 better ones, if not more.
Chris Cooley is officially a Pro-Bowler.

But I guess he's not elite?

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Old 12-18-2007, 05:29 PM   #13
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Chris Cooley is officially a Pro-Bowler.

But I guess he's not elite?

Conference........outside of Witten the other top TE's are in the AFC.
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:41 PM   #14
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Conference........outside of Witten the other top TE's are in the AFC.
Dude, you are so out of your element.

Dave Lane was incorrect in stating that Washington has NO talent on the offense. I stated not only do the Redskins have a more talented receiving core, equal to or better than running backs, better QB depth, and extremely superior offensive line (Samuels made the Pro Bowl today for the 5th time), I also stated that Cooley is an elite tight end.

Dave doesn't know WTF he's talking about in regards to the Redskins offensive talent level.

And apparently, you can't admit when you're wrong. You're always making ridiculous claims (Allen isn't any good, Hali sucks and other BS), you can't even admit it when faced with FACTS.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:35 PM   #15
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Gates
Gonzo
Heap
Witten
Clark
Winslow
Crumpler - although he has not had a QB this year

I would consider all of these TE's better
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