I think women going to college should carry guns

[Chiefmanwillcatch]

The girl who was abducted from her dorm. The hitchhiker who wasn't a college girl but was on a walk by herself.

Now these two coed hatecrime murders.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

My university has implemented an alert system. The system calls your home and texts you a message (if you have a cellphone) that gives out dangers. We just got one actually. There's a possible dangerous weapon in a residence hall on campus.

It's sad that we have to spend our resources on this kind of stuff. Very very sad.

UPDATE:

Looks like everything is okay. We can resume with our normal activities. They have someone in custody in Des Moines.

Good system.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

UPDATE:

Looks like everything is okay. We can resume with our normal activities. They have someone in custody in Des Moines.

Good system.

It can be good to alert others not immediately in the presence of a situation. However, even then it has to be used. At UF they have a similar text-message, email based system and a few weeks ago they had a bomb threat at a building. They evacuated the building and searched it, etc. but for some reason did not use their alert system.

[88TG88]

Originally Posted by Chiefmanwillgetyou

Another idea is to do more profiling which pisses black people off.

But it should be targetted to all hood gangster looking persons.

Maybe ID cards around college campuses.

Lets do it, whats the worse that could happen

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

It can be good to alert others not immediately in the presence of a situation. However, even then it has to be used. At UF they have a similar text-message, email based system and a few weeks ago they had a bomb threat at a building. They evacuated the building and searched it, etc. but for some reason did not use their alert system.

This apparently stemmed from some text messages from a man to a female student. Said something about coming to campus with a weapon. The student called the police and the dorms were locked down for about two hours while police investigated.

I hope this isn't something that will be abused or taken to any extreme, but we're going to see some cautious campus administrators after the recent shootings.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

This apparently stemmed from some text messages from a man to a female student. Said something about coming to campus with a weapon. The student called the police and the dorms were locked down for about two hours while police investigated.

I hope this isn't something that will be abused or taken to any extreme, but we're going to see some cautious campus administrators after the recent shootings.

It will. Don't worry. Bitches at ESU used to pull the fire alarms all the time at 4:00 in the morning just to watch us run out. If they pursecute the bitches it may stop. But I see abuse.

I think it is a very good program, but just be weary of the bitches.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by alanm

Just my 2 cents but I'm for open carry with a permit. When a criminal sees you carrying a holstered weapon it's even more of a deterrent.
I see ranchers out here in Western Nebraska packing heat all the time. And not many people give it a second notice.

No offense but you live in a very sparsely populated place.

Could you imagine allowing concealed weapons on the campus of schools like UCLA, NYU, USC, or the University of Miami?

I think these murders are horrible and don't want to downplay the pain, anguish and suffering of the relatives.

But to suddenly allow over 20 million under-21 year-olds to carry weapons on a college campus is probably the dumbest idea EVER.

[boogblaster]

My daughter carries pepper-spray and a knife ....

[alanm]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No offense but you live in a very sparsely populated place.

Could you imagine allowing concealed weapons on the campus of schools like UCLA, NYU, USC, or the University of Miami?

I think these murders are horrible and don't want to downplay the pain, anguish and suffering of the relatives.

But to suddenly allow over 20 million under-21 year-olds to carry weapons on a college campus is probably the dumbest idea EVER.

Dane, I'm not talking about concealed weapons. I'm talking about open carry. As in wearing a weapon in a holster in plain sight. A holster around your waist or a shoulder holster. Like the old west as it were. And by no means am I in favor of arming 22 yr old and under kids on campus. Yeah.. that seems like a good idea, what could go wrong.
I'm just saying that open carry in general would deter more crime than concealed. JMO

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by alanm

Dane, I'm not talking about concealed weapons. I'm talking about open carry. As in wearing a weapon in a holster in plain sight. A holster around your waist or a shoulder holster. Like the old west as it were. And by no means am I in favor of arming 22 yr old and under kids on campus. Yeah.. that seems like a good idea, what could go wrong.
I'm just saying that open carry in general would deter more crime than concealed. JMO

I guess. I just think that in most urban areas, people just don't carry guns.

I live in a city that has 20 million people. I'm friends with more than 15 people in my small neighborhood and no one I know owns a gun. No one hunts. Nothing. As a matter of fact, no one that I've ever known (outside of a SWAT cop who's married to friend of my wife) owns a gun.

I know it's quite different in the midwest (having grown up and lived there until age 27) but in larger urban areas, hunting is not a past time. Therefore, few own guns.

Personally, I feel uncomfortable when I see people wearing guns (usually Brinks Truck drivers). I'd really feel uncomfortable if every time I went to the grocery store or to Baja Fresh or a bar, I saw someone with a piece strapped to their chest.

VERY uncomfortable.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No offense but you live in a very sparsely populated place.

Could you imagine allowing concealed weapons on the campus of schools like UCLA, NYU, USC, or the University of Miami?

I think these murders are horrible and don't want to downplay the pain, anguish and suffering of the relatives.

But to suddenly allow over 20 million under-21 year-olds to carry weapons on a college campus is probably the dumbest idea EVER.

First off, no one is suggesting passing complimentary guns out along with textbooks. Most people won't want to carry one (the liberal media has done a fine job indoctrinating most urbanites to hate and fear guns). Of the people who do, some won't pass the training course or meet the psychological requirements.

But even if only one person in 15 or 20 is carrying a concealed weapon, and the bad guys know this, it would give them pause before causing trouble.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by alanm

Dane, I'm not talking about concealed weapons. I'm talking about open carry. As in wearing a weapon in a holster in plain sight. A holster around your waist or a shoulder holster. Like the old west as it were. And by no means am I in favor of arming 22 yr old and under kids on campus. Yeah.. that seems like a good idea, what could go wrong.
I'm just saying that open carry in general would deter more crime than concealed. JMO

UNI and the other regent universities in Iowa voted this school year to arm campus police.

There were a few very vocal people against it, but overall, I'd say it was pretty split.

Personally, I don't mind cops having a gun at all. I'm also for cops having top-notch training in dealing with situations and violence prevention sort of things.

I knew they were going to have to be allowed, even though the teachers' committee was against it. No president would have said no to the guns and then wanted to have faced the heat if a tragedy did strike.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I guess. I just think that in most urban areas, people just don't carry guns.

I live in a city that has 20 million people. I'm friends with more than 15 people in my small neighborhood and no one I know owns a gun. No one hunts. Nothing. As a matter of fact, no one that I've ever known (outside of a SWAT cop who's married to friend of my wife) owns a gun.

I know it's quite different in the midwest (having grown up and lived there until age 27) but in larger urban areas, hunting is not a past time. Therefore, few own guns.

Personally, I feel uncomfortable when I see people wearing guns (usually Brinks Truck drivers). I'd really feel uncomfortable if every time I went to the grocery store or to Baja Fresh or a bar, I saw someone with a piece strapped to their chest.

VERY uncomfortable.

Dane, It's been my personal experience that dealing with the male gender under the age of 30 on his turf in.. how shall I phrase this.. Not quite as refined neighborhoods, and stressing the hood part.. in various cities and towns in the midwest and southwest it's been my experience that upwards of 80 to 90% are carrying weapons.
Of course my job called for me to be armed as well.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by frazod

First off, no one is suggesting passing complimentary guns out along with textbooks. Most people won't want to carry one (the liberal media has done a fine job indoctrinating most urbanites to hate and fear guns). Of the people who do, some won't pass the training course or meet the psychological requirements.

But even if only one person in 15 or 20 is carrying a concealed weapon, and the bad guys know this, it would give them pause before causing trouble.

I understand your point. But I don't think the answer to tragedies like VaTech, Columbine and the like is to allow a large majority of the supposed 80 million gun owners in the US to carry an unconcealed or concealed weapons. I believe that it's very possible that we would likely multiply the number of tragedies, tenfold.

Having said that, please don't misconstrue my post as being anti-gun or anti-gun law. There are obviously tens of millions of responsible gun owners throughout the US, 99.99999% of whom would never aim their gun at another human being.

But I do believe that if people were allowed to carry their guns anywhere in public and at any time, the risk of accident and tragedy would drastically increase.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by frazod

First off, no one is suggesting passing complimentary guns out along with textbooks. Most people won't want to carry one (the liberal media has done a fine job indoctrinating most urbanites to hate and fear guns). Of the people who do, some won't pass the training course or meet the psychological requirements.

But even if only one person in 15 or 20 is carrying a concealed weapon, and the bad guys know this, it would give them pause before causing trouble.

Breaking it down further like you did seems logical. There would be very few licensed to carry on campus. Probably have buildings where you weren't allowed to carry in a weapon any way. Which would of course spread across campus resulting in carrying a weapon moot anyway.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I understand your point. But I don't think the answer to tragedies like VaTech, Columbine and the like is to allow a large majority of the supposed 80 million gun owners in the US to carry an unconcealed or concealed weapons. I believe that it's very possible that we would likely multiply the number of tragedies, tenfold.

Having said that, please don't misconstrue my post as being anti-gun or anti-gun law. There are obviously tens of millions of responsible gun owners throughout the US, 99.99999% of whom would never aim their gun at another human being.

But I do believe that if people were allowed to carry their guns anywhere in public and at any time, the risk of accident and tragedy would drastically increase.

A responsible person with a gun is keenly aware of the consequences of using it. Just because a gun owner gets pissed off doesn't mean he's going to riddle his/her antagonist with bullets just because he/she can.

I've owned a gun of one sort or another all my life. I have a pretty bad temper and for about five years had a serious coke problem. Despite this, during the course of my entire life, I've had occasion to point a gun at another human being twice; both times in self defense. In both cases, the offenders went away rather than get shot (which is the general idea). I've never had to pull the trigger and have never killed anyone. And while there have been occasions where I really, really wanted to turn some asshole into a bullet-riddled corpse, that whole getting thrown in a pound-me-in-the-ass prison for decades thing has always been a strong enough deterrent to convince me not to do it.