Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10

[chiefforlife]

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

[Pioli Zombie]

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

He came out of the womb in an ass hat.

Yeah that's a great football response. How about this

Go **** your mother again.
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Yeah that's a great football response. How about this

Go **** your mother again.
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Congratulations; you're my new bitch.

[Pioli Zombie]

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Congratulations; you're my new bitch.

Oh dear I'm real intimidated by the likes of you.

Go ask your mom for her car keys and go hang around an arcade or something.

Do you have any ideas that concern football by any chance?
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[Pioli Zombie]

Ok football fans. The loudmouths appeared to have run off. Anyone want to discuss the draft in a civilized manner?
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[soundmind]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Ok football fans. The loudmouths appeared to have run off. Anyone want to discuss the draft in a civilized manner?
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Is that possible on this site? I certainly haven't found that to be the case.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

you haven't watched him play, or even bothered to research his accomplishments or record, or even bothered to learn about the team he played on and literally had to carry...that makes you a) lazy and b) stupid


the people quoted in this article are exactly like you - lazy and stupid...they don't bother to provide any context or analysis for what are hilariously absurd statements...

i've been over his history, stats, and team, in detail...i don't care what lazy, stupid people like you think...i care when lazy, stupid people like you get quoted in articles and other lazy, stupid noobs show up screaming, "AH-HA!...he sucks, lets draft Freeman omg boner!!" or some such lazy, stupid shit that lazy, stupid noobs are prone to say....

if you have a claim to make, then make it and defend it with actual a) facts and b) context.....otherwise lazy, stupid people like you, and those noobs, and the cowards in this article are wasting all of our time and making this place ****ing dumber by the ****ing second....

is that clear enough for you, you lazy stupid piece of shit?

man, i promised i wouldn't even discuss until the draft...but this place is now infested with zombie ****ing reeruns....

can, i like sanchez, rated by most as the #2 qb in the draft, stafford i have watched freeman too, freeman DOES NOT impress me, stafford's physical attributes do, his mental makeup doesnt, it's the way he carries himself, the way he acts when he gets sacked, throws an int, or the WR drops a pass, i dont like it. i could give 2 shits how that makes YOU feel

[soundmind]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

can, i like sanchez, rated by most as the #2 qb in the draft, stafford i have watched freeman too, freeman DOES NOT impress me, stafford's physical attributes do, his mental makeup doesnt, it's the way he carries himself, the way he acts when he gets sacked, throws an int, or the WR drops a pass, i dont like it. i could give 2 shits how that makes YOU feel

This is pretty much the exact take I have at the moment - minus the directive 'YOU'. Stafford has some serious physical weapons, but mentally I'm giving the edge to Sanchez - even with the experience question marks. Freeman wouldn't be in this discussion if he weren't 6'5"....he has the genetic makeup, but certainly not the track record to be drafted anywhere in the 1st.

[Mecca]

You can have a logical draft conversation on this forum as long as you know what you're talking about.

Just don't say anything like a RT is worth a top 3 pick.

[soundmind]

And for further discussion, just on the draft class in general:

How badass did Jason Smith (Baylor) look today? That guy outmeasured most if not all to me...I didn't know what to expect, but that dude has a future.

[Pioli Zombie]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

can, i like sanchez, rated by most as the #2 qb in the draft, stafford i have watched freeman too, freeman DOES NOT impress me, stafford's physical attributes do, his mental makeup doesnt, it's the way he carries himself, the way he acts when he gets sacked, throws an int, or the WR drops a pass, i dont like it. i could give 2 shits how that makes YOU feel

The times I watched stafford the thought "hey this guy will be a great pro" did not come to me one bit like it did with Palmer or Manning or Elway. I don't see why people are so convinced he's a can't miss franchise qb.
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[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mecca

You can have a logical draft conversation on this forum as long as you know what you're talking about.

Just don't say anything like a RT is worth a top 3 pick.

i have never said anything like that mecca, it's just some people act as though we are going to influence what actually happens and what the consensus thinks matters

[Pioli Zombie]

Originally Posted by Mecca

You can have a logical draft conversation on this forum as long as you know what you're talking about.

Just don't say anything like a RT is worth a top 3 pick.

Exactly who put you in charge? Let people have their say and their opinion which is every bit as valid as yours
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[Mecca]

Originally Posted by soundmind

And for further discussion, just on the draft class in general:

How badass did Jason Smith (Baylor) look today? That guy outmeasured most if not all to me...I didn't know what to expect, but that dude has a future.

I'd have some serious reservation about him being taken as high as he's being projected, he's athletic sure he has size yes. I think he has potential but at the same time..he doesn't have much experience at his position he was recruited and played a full college season as a TE.

He's from the spread and never lined up in the 3 point stance all of his run blocking is space and zone plays...

Monroe is more complete but Smith is more athletic...I just would hope whoever takes Smith will realize he may be a very good pass blocker from day 1 but his run blocking needs a ton of work.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Exactly who put you in charge? Let people have their say and their opinion which is every bit as valid as yours
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reeruned opinions are not valid.

[soundmind]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'd have some serious reservation about him being taken as high as he's being projected, he's athletic sure he has size yes. I think he has potential but at the same time..he doesn't have much experience at his position he was recruited and played a full college season as a TE.

He's from the spread and never lined up in the 3 point stance all of his run blocking is space and zone plays...

Monroe is more complete but Smith is more athletic...I just would hope whoever takes Smith will realize he may be a very good pass blocker from day 1 but his run blocking needs a ton of work.

Agreed, he is a project - and will likely be drafted a little early, but I was impressed...his size kind of killed his speed too, but he ran well, that'd be a concern for me, but I want speed at every position, so...and I know the Combine doesn't "tell all", but it would be a concern for me that Chris Wells out-benched Monroe. I'd want my OT to put it up 30x.