Chiefs Underclassmen QB's in the draft. - Page 8

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 02:09 PM

Okay, I know that Leaf was a junior. Probably the worst. Showed very quickly that he was not mature enough to make it in the NFL.

Mike Vick came out as a Junior, but again, lacked maturity.

Vince Young was a junior, and has had a mental breakdown.

Aaron Rodgers was a junior, but he was taken later in the first round.

Flacco and Ryan, last year's wonder rookies.... were both seniors.

I see a lot of red flags from Sancez. He was arrested for sexual assault. (I know, this girl was just out for money.... only he was a couple years removed from going pro, and there was no way for her to profit from it at the time, and her mother was the one who called the police)

He only has 16 games of experience and didn't listen to Pete Carroll or his parents that all advised him to go back to school.

He then hires his brother.

So, my question is, has anyone come into the NFL as a junior as a top ten pick that came in and set the NFL on fire?

I mean, Aaron Rodgers was on the bench for three years prior to the Packers leaning on him as there starter.

Do we want a three year waiting period for our QBOTF?

Anyways, I think QB has to be the most level headed and mature position on the field. I see none of that in Sanchez.

In fact, all I see is an arrogant primadonna that isn't smart enough to know what he doesn't know.

There is probably a junior I am misisng. I would love it even more if there is a junior that has on 16 games starting experience and came in as a top pick and set the world on fire.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

Um, I am pretty sure that Palmer sat behind Kitna to learn the ropes.

I am pretty sure that Eli sat behind Warner to learn the ropes.

I am pretty sure that Rodgers sat behind Favre to learn the ropes.

I am pretty sure that Cutler sat behind Plummer to learn the ropes.

I am pretty sure that Roethlisberger sat behind Maddox to learn the ropes.

Those are just examples off of the top of my head. So, there maybe is a "plan" for guys to ride the bench "these days."

Eli sat for half a season.

Other than Palmer, none of the others were top five, much less top 10.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The expectations between picks 10 and 11 drop considerably.

Seriously, are you wanting to be called names? Is this your overall objective?

No, but between #3 and #11, there is a considerable drop.

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

No, but between #3 and #11, there is a considerable drop.

Did you read orange's assessment of the expectations surrounding Cutler, who was also the #11 overall selection?

Any QB selected in round 1 is going be under pressure and intense scrutiny. Unless he's 1/1, it's all going to be relatively similar. There's not going to be a big difference between #3 and #11 or #15.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

Um, I am pretty sure that Palmer sat behind Kitna to learn the ropes.

I am pretty sure that Eli sat behind Warner to learn the ropes.

I am pretty sure that Rodgers sat behind Favre to learn the ropes.

I am pretty sure that Cutler sat behind Plummer to learn the ropes.

I am pretty sure that Roethlisberger sat behind Maddox to learn the ropes.

Those are just examples off of the top of my head. So, there maybe is a "plan" for guys to ride the bench "these days."

Kitna was a decent starter, Palmer was brought in to ride the bench.

Favre was a HOF, Rodgers was a BPA pick.

Plummer had taken the Broncos to the AFC Championship the year before.

Maddox had a couple of decent years prior to the Steelers drafting Big Ben.

The Giants were the only team that didn't have a QB, and acquired one specifically to sit Eli behind.

The Chiefs do not have a good veteran Qb option. Their situation is more like the Falcons and Ravens of last year.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Did you read orange's assessment of the expectations surrounding Cutler, who was also the #11 overall selection?

Any QB selected in round 1 is going be under pressure and intense scrutiny. Unless he's 1/1, it's all going to be relatively similar. There's not going to be a big difference between #3 and #11 or #15.

I hadn't read it.

I think top five picks are held to a different standard. They are paid a lot more, and honestly, when you get out of the top ten, there is less pressure for the organization to start them early due to financial considerations.

milkman · 02-22-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Did you read orange's assessment of the expectations surrounding Cutler, who was also the #11 overall selection?

Any QB selected in round 1 is going be under pressure and intense scrutiny. Unless he's 1/1, it's all going to be relatively similar. There's not going to be a big difference between #3 and #11 or #15.

QBs taken at #11 overall are under no pressure to perform.
Teams could sit them for 5 years and none of the fans would complain, because he was not a top 10 pick.
Just ask me, I'm Sensible, I know.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC

from Don Banks today....

Southern Cal's Sanchez did nothing to make anyone believe he's top 10 material at this point. He struggled quite a bit on passes he threw outside the numbers, near the sidelines, and only looked great on slant patterns. I expect any potential chatter about Sanchez being a real option for the Lions at No. 1 to all but evaporate unless he has a boffo pro day workout next month.

I can see him going #10 to the 49ers.... local kid and all that. I just don't see how he goes in the top 10 otherwise.

It will be interesting to watch.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

QBs taken at #11 overall are under no pressure to perform.
Teams could sit them for 5 years and none of the fans would complain, because he was not a top 10 pick.
Just ask me, I'm Sensible, I know.

Its not just about the fans. It is about the money that they give these guys. It is about getting a return on your investment. This is a business, you know?

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

QBs taken at #11 overall are under no pressure to perform.
Teams could sit them for 5 years and none of the fans would complain, because he was not a top 10 pick.
Just ask me, I'm Sensible, I know.

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Its not just about the fans. It is about the money that they give these guys. It is about getting a return on your investment. This is a business, you know?

But what about all that pressure? Isn't that the biggest issue?

Pioli Zombie · 02-22-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Yes, because I am not willing to rationalize a QB is worth the pick, just because we have it.

Yes, because I am not willing to overlook the sexual assault and his other questionable decisions.

Yes, because I am not willing to overlook that he played for USC and was surrounded by great talent and a great coaching staff, and that 'probably' helped him look pretty good.

Now, do you have any juniors that came out and went in the top 10 that turned out to be great.

Again, I am not saying none have made it.... just wondering who and when.

Oh, and do you think hiring your brother as your agent is a 'good' move?

Mecca says we should draft sanchez because his brother went to Yale
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Mecca · 02-22-2009, 10:21 PM

Why is the sexual assault thing consistently brought up when it was completely thrown out at laughed about by the cops? The DA wanted to pursue this and they laughed and so go ahead and try there's nothing there.

And that is not remotely what I said there Zombie but hey don't let that stop you. People were questioning why his brother was working on his behalf and I brought that up nothing more nothing less.

Pioli Zombie · 02-22-2009, 10:25 PM

Gilbert Gottfrieds take on Mark Sanchez:

Some have said that Mark Sanchez raped a young woman.It is shocking and terrible that some are saying that Mark Sanchez raped a young woman. If anyone has any evidence that Mark Sanchez raped a young woman then they should come forward with that evidence that Mark Sanchez raped a young woman.
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soundmind · 02-22-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Why is the sexual assault thing consistently brought up when it was completely thrown out at laughed about by the cops? The DA wanted to pursue this and they laughed and so go ahead and try there's nothing there.

And that is not remotely what I said there Zombie but hey don't let that stop you. People were questioning why his brother was working on his behalf and I brought that up nothing more nothing less.

I think the only knock on choosing his brother to represent him is that agents do a lot more these days than just figure out your press time and contract. I hope and presume that he has all his ducks in a row though. Hell, maybe this even means he's concentrating on football and not worrying about signing with the biggest corporate fish in the pond...

Mecca · 02-22-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

I think the only knock on choosing his brother to represent him is that agents do a lot more these days than just figure out your press time and contract. I hope and presume that he has all his ducks in a row though. Hell, maybe this even means he's concentrating on football and not worrying about signing with the biggest corporate fish in the pond...

I believe he's also working with David Dunns firm so it's not just his brother and no one else.

Drew Bledsoe was an underclassman by the way.

Pioli Zombie · 02-23-2009, 12:02 AM

Drew Bledsoe. The standard mecca hopes sanchez lives up to.

1994 playoff at cleveland 4 INTS in 20-13 loss

1996 played pretty well in 28-3 win vs Pitt

1996 played lousy in 20-6 win over JAX. Special teams blocked punt setting up a martin 1 yard td and defense scored another td

SB 31. Throws 4 INTS

1997. Defense scores a td in 17-3 win vs miami

1997. Plays awful in 7-6 loss at pitt

2001. Led team to one td and a fg in afc title game. Got a lot of credit for the drama of it but in fact was a mixed performance much like his career

Career playoff rating about 59

3 playoff wins

Chiefs "didn't win shit" teams of the 90's

3 playoff wins

The standard.
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02-22-2009, 02:09 PM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Underclassmen QB's in the draft. Okay, I know that Leaf was a junior. Probably the worst. Showed very quickly that he was not mature enough to make it in the NFL. Mike Vick came out as a Junior, but again, lacked maturity. Vince Young was a junior, and has had a mental breakdown. Aaron Rodgers was a junior, but he was taken later in the first round. Flacco and Ryan, last year's wonder rookies.... were both seniors. I see a lot of red flags from Sancez. He was arrested for sexual assault. (I know, this girl was just out for money.... only he was a couple years removed from going pro, and there was no way for her to profit from it at the time, and her mother was the one who called the police) He only has 16 games of experience and didn't listen to Pete Carroll or his parents that all advised him to go back to school. He then hires his brother. So, my question is, has anyone come into the NFL as a junior as a top ten pick that came in and set the NFL on fire? I mean, Aaron Rodgers was on the bench for three years prior to the Packers leaning on him as there starter. Do we want a three year waiting period for our QBOTF? Anyways, I think QB has to be the most level headed and mature position on the field. I see none of that in Sanchez. In fact, all I see is an arrogant primadonna that isn't smart enough to know what he doesn't know. There is probably a junior I am misisng. I would love it even more if there is a junior that has on 16 games starting experience and came in as a top pick and set the world on fire.
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02-22-2009, 10:21 PM	#116
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	Why is the sexual assault thing consistently brought up when it was completely thrown out at laughed about by the cops? The DA wanted to pursue this and they laughed and so go ahead and try there's nothing there. And that is not remotely what I said there Zombie but hey don't let that stop you. People were questioning why his brother was working on his behalf and I brought that up nothing more nothing less.
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02-22-2009, 10:25 PM	#117
Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Gilbert Gottfrieds take on Mark Sanchez: Some have said that Mark Sanchez raped a young woman.It is shocking and terrible that some are saying that Mark Sanchez raped a young woman. If anyone has any evidence that Mark Sanchez raped a young woman then they should come forward with that evidence that Mark Sanchez raped a young woman. Posted via Mobile Device
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02-23-2009, 12:02 AM	#120
Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Drew Bledsoe. The standard mecca hopes sanchez lives up to. 1994 playoff at cleveland 4 INTS in 20-13 loss 1996 played pretty well in 28-3 win vs Pitt 1996 played lousy in 20-6 win over JAX. Special teams blocked punt setting up a martin 1 yard td and defense scored another td SB 31. Throws 4 INTS 1997. Defense scores a td in 17-3 win vs miami 1997. Plays awful in 7-6 loss at pitt 2001. Led team to one td and a fg in afc title game. Got a lot of credit for the drama of it but in fact was a mixed performance much like his career Career playoff rating about 59 3 playoff wins Chiefs "didn't win shit" teams of the 90's 3 playoff wins The standard. Posted via Mobile Device
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