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missinDThomas · 02-24-2009, 07:20 AM

about Sanchez.

Every Monday, Arrowhead Addict editor/lead writer Adam Best will kick off the week with his AA Greeting — his one-of-a-kind POV on all things Chiefs.

What is this gibberish I’m reading around Chiefs Nation that Mark Sanchez didn’t fare well at the combine. Really? What are my fellow Red-and-Golders smoking?

Today, Scout Inc.’s Todd McShay — who’s Gus Johnson to Mel Kiper’s Dick Vitale — raved about Sanchez, especially his confidence, ability to break down film and intangibles. In fact, McShay talked about the “it” factor. You know, the one I’ve been saying that Sanchez has and Matt Stafford doesn’t for weeks now. Well, apparently quite a few of the personnel folks he talked to agree with me. He even said that there is some movement from Stafford to Sanchez as to who the No. 1 quarterback is.

SportingNews.com’s Russ Lande said:

Southern Cal’s Mark Sanchez helped himself in passing drills and tests. He showed a quick, compact delivery and release. He drove into his passes and the ball exploded out of his hand. His throws had good velocity and a tight, clean spiral. With Georgia’s Matthew Stafford choosing not to throw, Sanchez proved their competition to be the draft’s top quarterback is far from over. Teams were impressed that Sanchez decided to throw and did not look nervous or anxious.

ESPN’s John Clayton:

A ball of nervous energy, USC QB Mark Sanchez had a good throwing performance Sunday at the combine.

After scouring the Interwebs and watching the combine since it kicked off, it seems like most, if not everyone, has been pretty damn impressed by the kid I’ve taken to calling Dirty. So, Don Banks wasn’t impressed. No offense, Don, but after reading your stuff over the years, I’m not so sure Tyra Banks doesn’t know more about the NFL than you do.

Then there’s the fervor behind the Tyler Thigpen movement. Dammit! I just wish Chiefs fans didn’t let their wishful thinking cloud their judgment so much. That’s called being a homer.

But call me Brian Wilson, because for a while there even I was singing “Wouldn’t It Be Nice.” You know, as in wouldn’t it be nice if some seventh-round, third-string quarterback who once got cut by the effin’ Vikings miraculously became our franchise quarterback? But as the season progressed and Thigpen lost game after game, almost never playing well during crunch time, I soured on him. Hey, Tony Gonzalez has carried the jocks of a lot of pedestrian quarterbacks during his tight end reign of terror. This is just another one for us to add to the list.

I also have seen numerous Chiefs fans — not just on this site either — trying to sell that Thigpen’s as good as Matt Cassel. Keep telling yourself that and maybe, just maybe, one day you’ll really believe it.

The reasoning behind this is always that Randy Moss and Wes Welker blow away what we have. Really? I mean, Dwayne Bowe and Tony Gonzalez, the best tight end of all time, aren’t a couple of scrubs. Oh, and only one of these guys made the Pro Bowl this year — Tony G. Sure, Cassel’s offensive line was better, but what about his backs? Kevin Faulk and a bunch of punks and nobodies? BenJarvus Green-Ellis? That sounds like a disease, man. Meanwhile, we had Jamal Charles and Larry Johnson for most of the season. I really don’t think Cassel was at that much of an advantage, especially when you consider that he had to deal with things like actual expectations and pressure, not to mention playing in a much, much better division.The AFC West was garbage last year, especially defensively.

Sorry, but Thigpen is just not in Cassel’s league.

Just read what Peter King had to say about Cassel today, from SI.com:

I’m surprised that a quarterback who played as well as Cassel did for the last 10 weeks of the season is being viewed by most people in the league as too risky to chart a long-term course with. It’s not often in free agency or in trade that a young quarterback with promise is available. And while I understand it’s a millstone around Cassel that he’d require probably two fairly high picks plus an average of $14 million-ish a year in a contract, I still think I’d rather have Cassel as my quarterback of the future than, say, Matthew Stafford. And the money’s not that much different.

Cassel is the real deal, folks. I don’t think anybody would be writing that about Thigpen if he was franchised or even a free agent right now. Then again, I can’t ever see a QB of his caliber being franchised.

Another thing I keep reading over and over and over again is shock that anybody at all is discussing the Chiefs picking or trading for a quarterback with Thigpen in the fold. Wake up, people! If you don’t have a very good quarterback, then you don’t have a quarterback at all. Period. Considering that quarterback is the single most important position in the NFL and we don’t have a good one, yeah, it’s going to be a top priority. Probably the priority. You can have all the Aaron Currys in the world running amok, but if you have a hack quarterback it won’t make any difference.

Am I being hard on Thigpen? No. Not at all. He had a prolonged audition that he never really earned before being thrust into the starting line-up. Our offense was 26th in the league in scoring. Our defense was 29th in points allowed, which means that we had to be aggressive on offense to try and keep pace. Suddenly, the ArrowSpread and Thiggy don’t look so hot any longer. Then you throw in his completion percentage, and it’s not looking good for Thigpen.

It’s never personal. I was hard on Brodie Croyle because I didn’t see him ever being a winning quarterback. He had a lot of starts, and could never win a game. Meanwhile, Thigpen has now had a good chunk of starts, too, and the only game he has won was that freebie up in Oakland. And that game was definitely a freebie. I know — I was there!

I really don’t care if all of Chiefs Nation agrees with me on this one. When it comes to quarterbacks, my track record — Brodie Croyle, Matt Ryan, etc… — speaks for itself. I am confident that Thigpen will not be our quarterback of the future. Very confident.

I also don’t think that there is any way men like Todd Haley and Scott Pioli are going to hedge their careers on Thiggy Smalls. Just writing that makes me feel a little ridiculous, actually. In case you forgot, the Herm Edwards era is over. The Pioli Trinity will bring someone in to at least compete with him. I guaran-damn-tee you that. If he wins the job, hey, more power to him. That would be a dream come true for me, as I’ve been waiting my whole life for the Chiefs to find a young franchise QB. I just can’t see it. Sorry.

The other thing I keep reading that irks me is this Aaron Curry is the “safe” pick, the “safest pick in the draft.” Makes me want to puke. Hey, the kid has a great story and is a phenomenal athlete. But he’s a middle freakin’ linebacker in a year when linebackers seem to be miraculously raining from the sky like frogs or something! Let’s get serious here. Is Chiefs Nation still so haunted by the ghost of Todd Blackhedge that we remain scared you-know-what-less when it comes to drafting or trading for a promising young quarterback.

What was that expression? Scared money don’t make money. I’m confident that The Pioli Trilogy realizes that. They aren’t going to allow the ghosts of Chiefs’ past or any wishful thinking to lead them down the wrong path.

Me? I don’t call the shots, but I’m liking Cassel and Sanchez more and more every single day (I still like Michael Crabtree as well, by the way). Hopefully, the Chiefs are, too, because these kids have the chops to become star quarterbacks in this league under the right guidance (ahem, Todd Haley).

P.S. - With free agency around the corner, and us almost certainly moving to a 3-4, I’m thinking these will be my top candidates when I drop my free agency post later this week, which will probably be another Blueprint…

ILB Bart Scott
DE Chris Canty
OT Khalif Barnes
Lance Moore is also a guy who’s very, very intriguing to me. I think he could become a star in Haley’s system.

missinDThomas · 02-24-2009, 10:02 AM

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-24-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by missinDThomas

I like Mike Mayock, and he said there are no holes in Curry's game. I like Curry alot, but I think there are alot of othe LBs in this draft too.

There are NOT alot of other QBs.

Fair point, and if the Chiefs think Sanchez has a good chance to be a great QB, then they should take him.

But, they shouldn't take him just because he is a QB, they need one and there are not alot of them.

I would rather take the best LB out of a good group of LB's than the second best QB out of a poor group of QB's.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-24-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Nobody is saying he was "horrible". If NFL network blurred out the faces of the entrants you never would have thought that Sanchez was a top 10 pick. His throws were no better (and occasionally worse) than guys that will be taken in the 5th -6th round. He just didn't stand out in terms of his passes. Footwork, delivery motion, leadership etc., I'm sure were top notch.

Exactly! It wasn't that he was 'awful'.. but he certainly didn't live up to the hype.

missinDThomas · 02-24-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Fair point, and if the Chiefs think Sanchez has a good chance to be a great QB, then they should take him.

But, they shouldn't take him just because he is a QB, they need one and there are not alot of them.

I would rather take the best LB out of a good group of LB's than the second best QB out of a poor group of QB's.

I can totally agree with that.

From what Pioli and Haley have been saying I think they are going to take the best player reguardless of position.

smittysbar · 02-24-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Absolutely, but you were the one talking about how great this kids physical tools are. They are above average, but not incredible.

Average height, average build, slightly above average arm, and above average mobility.

That isn't enough in my mind to overcome the fact that he couldn't beat out John David Booty. That isn't enough to overcome the fact that Pete Carroll says he isn't ready. That isn't enough to overcome the fact that junior QB's struggle historically, and I don't know of a single one that had only 16 games starting experience.

With the sexual assault allegations, and the fact that he blew off his parents and his coach in going pro.... I just think he is an arrogant know it all that will soon fall on his face and realize how little he actually knew.

It will be interesting to see who Pioli agrees with on draft day. You or me.

You are truly an idiot.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-24-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

You are truly an idiot.

Easy to call names, hard to discuss facts.

Reerun_KC · 02-24-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Pete Carroll said he loved the kid. Which I have no doubt. Of course, he never backed off the fact that he didn't think Sanchez was ready.

He still hasn't.

But, I am sure he is just 'bitter'.

Mecca thinks the Chiefs need a franchise QB, (which I am in total agreement with), the top guy, Stafford, will be gone by the time the Chiefs pick, and the next guy that anyone can make a case for is from Mecca's favorite team.

It is the perfect storm to get him completely defensive and to rationalize everything about the kid.

Do you understand what you read? Or since your a n00b your just going to sling crap, when you really dont know the person your slinging crap about?

Seriously? You might want to do some research before you start crap like this. Your facts are false and your statements are just reeruned... Please for the sake of your arguments, do some research on Mecca's posts about previous USC players... Your biggest claim to your argument isnt always true...

Reerun_KC · 02-24-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Easy to call names, hard to discuss facts.

Especially when you fabricate facts?

missinDThomas · 02-24-2009, 10:28 AM

"Experts" say and think... 02-24-2009 10:17 AM Laz for giving star time to mecca

this is my favorite negative rep yet.

Gdaddy · 02-24-2009, 10:28 AM

maybe we will throw everybody off and draft Eugene Monroe and move him to Left Tackle and Albert to LG. I would much rather play it safe. I do love Curry though, and if we switch to a 3-4 he is a great move. What about BJ Raje with the 3rd pick and make him NT of the 3-4? DO you think Pioli and Haley care about Dorsey? Sure the money is tied up but they didnt draft him. I am a big fan of Cassel but I dont think he is worht the first round pick. I could see them swapping with NE but I would much rather give up a second this year and maybe a thrid next year (or second based on performance). Thoughts?

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-24-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Do you understand what you read? Or since your a n00b your just going to sling crap, when you really dont know the person your slinging crap about?

Seriously? You might want to do some research before you start crap like this. Your facts are false and your statements are just reeruned... Please for the sake of your arguments, do some research on Mecca's posts about previous USC players... Your biggest claim to your argument isnt always true...

It isn't the 'biggest' claim to the argument. It is merely one part.

Clearly, Mecca has a handle on this kid. I mean, he talked about how great his physical tools were and how he would do wonderfully throwing at the combine. He completely nailed that, huh.

Oh, nevermind.

missinDThomas · 02-24-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Gdaddy

maybe we will throw everybody off and draft Eugene Monroe and move him to Left Tackle and Albert to LG. I would much rather play it safe. I do love Curry though, and if we switch to a 3-4 he is a great move. What about BJ Raje with the 3rd pick and make him NT of the 3-4? DO you think Pioli and Haley care about Dorsey? Sure the money is tied up but they didnt draft him. I am a big fan of Cassel but I dont think he is worht the first round pick. I could see them swapping with NE but I would much rather give up a second this year and maybe a thrid next year (or second based on performance). Thoughts?

dude.....you are about to catch pure hell

Reerun_KC · 02-24-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

It isn't the 'biggest' claim to the argument. It is merely one part.

Clearly, Mecca has a handle on this kid. I mean, he talked about how great his physical tools were and how he would do wonderfully throwing at the combine. He completely nailed that, huh.

Oh, nevermind.

Yet you failed to realize he is also the biggest critic of SC players... He has stated more that once that he doesnt give a rats ass about where they played, he just wants the best players...

but people always use that as part of their argument...

smittysbar · 02-24-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Easy to call names, hard to discuss facts.

They have been discussed to your dumb ass about a million times, I don't know why anyone pays you any attention. The only attention you will receive from me is the neg rep button.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-24-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Especially when you fabricate facts?

No need to fabricate facts. The fact is that Mecca is, in fact, a USC fan. Now, you can say it has no bearing on his 'analysis', if you want to. And, that is your opinion. That isn't 'fact'.

My opinion is that it has affected him, at least in this instance, and again, that is opinion.

But, there is no debating the 'fact' that he is a USC fan.

02-24-2009, 07:20 AM
missinDThomas Nobody fucks with the Jesus! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Casino cash: $10004900	"Experts" say and think the same as Mecca... about Sanchez. Every Monday, Arrowhead Addict editor/lead writer Adam Best will kick off the week with his AA Greeting — his one-of-a-kind POV on all things Chiefs. What is this gibberish I’m reading around Chiefs Nation that Mark Sanchez didn’t fare well at the combine. Really? What are my fellow Red-and-Golders smoking? Today, Scout Inc.’s Todd McShay — who’s Gus Johnson to Mel Kiper’s Dick Vitale — raved about Sanchez, especially his confidence, ability to break down film and intangibles. In fact, McShay talked about the “it” factor. You know, the one I’ve been saying that Sanchez has and Matt Stafford doesn’t for weeks now. Well, apparently quite a few of the personnel folks he talked to agree with me. He even said that there is some movement from Stafford to Sanchez as to who the No. 1 quarterback is. SportingNews.com’s Russ Lande said: Southern Cal’s Mark Sanchez helped himself in passing drills and tests. He showed a quick, compact delivery and release. He drove into his passes and the ball exploded out of his hand. His throws had good velocity and a tight, clean spiral. With Georgia’s Matthew Stafford choosing not to throw, Sanchez proved their competition to be the draft’s top quarterback is far from over. Teams were impressed that Sanchez decided to throw and did not look nervous or anxious. ESPN’s John Clayton: A ball of nervous energy, USC QB Mark Sanchez had a good throwing performance Sunday at the combine. After scouring the Interwebs and watching the combine since it kicked off, it seems like most, if not everyone, has been pretty damn impressed by the kid I’ve taken to calling Dirty. So, Don Banks wasn’t impressed. No offense, Don, but after reading your stuff over the years, I’m not so sure Tyra Banks doesn’t know more about the NFL than you do. Then there’s the fervor behind the Tyler Thigpen movement. Dammit! I just wish Chiefs fans didn’t let their wishful thinking cloud their judgment so much. That’s called being a homer. But call me Brian Wilson, because for a while there even I was singing “Wouldn’t It Be Nice.” You know, as in wouldn’t it be nice if some seventh-round, third-string quarterback who once got cut by the effin’ Vikings miraculously became our franchise quarterback? But as the season progressed and Thigpen lost game after game, almost never playing well during crunch time, I soured on him. Hey, Tony Gonzalez has carried the jocks of a lot of pedestrian quarterbacks during his tight end reign of terror. This is just another one for us to add to the list. I also have seen numerous Chiefs fans — not just on this site either — trying to sell that Thigpen’s as good as Matt Cassel. Keep telling yourself that and maybe, just maybe, one day you’ll really believe it. The reasoning behind this is always that Randy Moss and Wes Welker blow away what we have. Really? I mean, Dwayne Bowe and Tony Gonzalez, the best tight end of all time, aren’t a couple of scrubs. Oh, and only one of these guys made the Pro Bowl this year — Tony G. Sure, Cassel’s offensive line was better, but what about his backs? Kevin Faulk and a bunch of punks and nobodies? BenJarvus Green-Ellis? That sounds like a disease, man. Meanwhile, we had Jamal Charles and Larry Johnson for most of the season. I really don’t think Cassel was at that much of an advantage, especially when you consider that he had to deal with things like actual expectations and pressure, not to mention playing in a much, much better division.The AFC West was garbage last year, especially defensively. Sorry, but Thigpen is just not in Cassel’s league. Just read what Peter King had to say about Cassel today, from SI.com: I’m surprised that a quarterback who played as well as Cassel did for the last 10 weeks of the season is being viewed by most people in the league as too risky to chart a long-term course with. It’s not often in free agency or in trade that a young quarterback with promise is available. And while I understand it’s a millstone around Cassel that he’d require probably two fairly high picks plus an average of $14 million-ish a year in a contract, I still think I’d rather have Cassel as my quarterback of the future than, say, Matthew Stafford. And the money’s not that much different. Cassel is the real deal, folks. I don’t think anybody would be writing that about Thigpen if he was franchised or even a free agent right now. Then again, I can’t ever see a QB of his caliber being franchised. Another thing I keep reading over and over and over again is shock that anybody at all is discussing the Chiefs picking or trading for a quarterback with Thigpen in the fold. Wake up, people! If you don’t have a very good quarterback, then you don’t have a quarterback at all. Period. Considering that quarterback is the single most important position in the NFL and we don’t have a good one, yeah, it’s going to be a top priority. Probably the priority. You can have all the Aaron Currys in the world running amok, but if you have a hack quarterback it won’t make any difference. Am I being hard on Thigpen? No. Not at all. He had a prolonged audition that he never really earned before being thrust into the starting line-up. Our offense was 26th in the league in scoring. Our defense was 29th in points allowed, which means that we had to be aggressive on offense to try and keep pace. Suddenly, the ArrowSpread and Thiggy don’t look so hot any longer. Then you throw in his completion percentage, and it’s not looking good for Thigpen. It’s never personal. I was hard on Brodie Croyle because I didn’t see him ever being a winning quarterback. He had a lot of starts, and could never win a game. Meanwhile, Thigpen has now had a good chunk of starts, too, and the only game he has won was that freebie up in Oakland. And that game was definitely a freebie. I know — I was there! I really don’t care if all of Chiefs Nation agrees with me on this one. When it comes to quarterbacks, my track record — Brodie Croyle, Matt Ryan, etc… — speaks for itself. I am confident that Thigpen will not be our quarterback of the future. Very confident. I also don’t think that there is any way men like Todd Haley and Scott Pioli are going to hedge their careers on Thiggy Smalls. Just writing that makes me feel a little ridiculous, actually. In case you forgot, the Herm Edwards era is over. The Pioli Trinity will bring someone in to at least compete with him. I guaran-damn-tee you that. If he wins the job, hey, more power to him. That would be a dream come true for me, as I’ve been waiting my whole life for the Chiefs to find a young franchise QB. I just can’t see it. Sorry. The other thing I keep reading that irks me is this Aaron Curry is the “safe” pick, the “safest pick in the draft.” Makes me want to puke. Hey, the kid has a great story and is a phenomenal athlete. But he’s a middle freakin’ linebacker in a year when linebackers seem to be miraculously raining from the sky like frogs or something! Let’s get serious here. Is Chiefs Nation still so haunted by the ghost of Todd Blackhedge that we remain scared you-know-what-less when it comes to drafting or trading for a promising young quarterback. What was that expression? Scared money don’t make money. I’m confident that The Pioli Trilogy realizes that. They aren’t going to allow the ghosts of Chiefs’ past or any wishful thinking to lead them down the wrong path. Me? I don’t call the shots, but I’m liking Cassel and Sanchez more and more every single day (I still like Michael Crabtree as well, by the way). Hopefully, the Chiefs are, too, because these kids have the chops to become star quarterbacks in this league under the right guidance (ahem, Todd Haley). P.S. - With free agency around the corner, and us almost certainly moving to a 3-4, I’m thinking these will be my top candidates when I drop my free agency post later this week, which will probably be another Blueprint… ILB Bart Scott DE Chris Canty OT Khalif Barnes Lance Moore is also a guy who’s very, very intriguing to me. I think he could become a star in Haley’s system.
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Gdaddy Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Fair Haven, NJ Casino cash: $10004900	maybe we will throw everybody off and draft Eugene Monroe and move him to Left Tackle and Albert to LG. I would much rather play it safe. I do love Curry though, and if we switch to a 3-4 he is a great move. What about BJ Raje with the 3rd pick and make him NT of the 3-4? DO you think Pioli and Haley care about Dorsey? Sure the money is tied up but they didnt draft him. I am a big fan of Cassel but I dont think he is worht the first round pick. I could see them swapping with NE but I would much rather give up a second this year and maybe a thrid next year (or second based on performance). Thoughts?
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