Chiefs A few thoughts on individual performances in tonights game.... - Page 8

shammus · 10:22 PM

Don't really have any stats to back all this up but here's what I noticed as I was watching tonights game. Defense shows some promise but offense appeared to be really sputtering. Succup and Colquitt were solid on special teams while our return game was pretty bad. Anyways, I'm sure there's stuff I missed, but here's what I saw specifically -

The Good

Offense
Dwayne Bowe - the offense didn't really pick up until he got into the game. Had several nice plays, including a diving catch and didn't drop any passes. He might have been our biggest impact player in that game. Bradley had a couple nice grabs too.
First team Oline - didn't get to watch this unit too close. Looked like Albert was doing well though.
Dantrell Savage had several nice runs and a good catch out of the backfield.
Backup quarterbacks - looked like Croyle did a decent job moving the ball down the field and Thigpen had some success when he was in as well (mostly running though)

Defense
Dorsey and Jackson appeared to be getting good penetration. I thought I saw Jackson even get a sack or did they give that to Studebaker?
Derrick Johnson was all over the field...several tackles
Tamba Hali - same thing...a couple of his stops were in the backfield
Corey Mays - also racked up quite a few tackles. On the whole, the first team unit of linebackers did really well. Demorrio Williams played well when he was in too. Didn't hear them call Vrabel's name though....
Flowers was very effective. Forced a fumble, nearly had a pick six and played solid defense. I thought Leggett looked really good too - had a sack in the first quarter and was still making plays in the 4th
Alex Magee had a few nice stops at the line against the run that I noticed

Special Teams
Succop was very impressive. All kickoffs were into the endzone or close to it. That 48 yard field goal was absolutely nailed. Very impressive in the rain.

The Bad

Offense
The one sack we gave up looked like Brandon Albert's fault. It appeared it was Albert who totally whiffed on Connor Barwin but the announcers said it was Herb Taylor. Offensive line play dropped off when the backups came in.
The success we had running the ball appeared to be because of Jackie Battle and Dantrell Savage, two guys fighting for a spot with the team. LJ and Javarris Williams were "meh" at best and I don't even recall Jamaal Charles getting in the game.
I noticed Thigpen running for his life and Croyle throwing on the run quite a bit.
The offense really sputtered when Cassel was running it. He had Copper and Darling as his starting wideouts though. When Bradley and Bowe came in, things picked up. Cassel had a couple nice completions and it looked like a couple of the others were dropped.
Did Toomer or Engram even play??

Defense
Didn't seem as though our 2nd team defense put any pressure on the QB and they were able to move the ball down the field easier
Didn't hear Tank Tyler's name called more than once (for a tackle) and didn't hear Edwards called at all. How was our play at NT??

Ugh.....for Chrissakes....
Not pretty for our return game. Never saw anyone get past the 23 yard line on a KR or PR and nobody (Savage, Lawrence, Wright) really stood out and distinguished themselves. I noticed a couple drops too which I suppose happens in the rain.
Letting Matt Turk rumble for a first down was abysmal. He even fumbled the snap first. Someone clearly missed an assignment on that one...
Both Cassel and Croyle fumbled a snap apiece from under center. This led to two turnovers on our side of the field. Oddly enough, Houston didn't appear to have any issues hanging on to the ball though...hmmmm....

milkman · 08-16-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

That's pretty much the way I feel and have been arguing about since last season.

I am disappointed that they had to move Richardson to LT.

I am disappointed as well, but he just seems to have a mental block or something get in the way of making the transition from LT.

He wasn't anything to write home about at LT, but he was credible, but he makes McSuckoff look all pro by comparison at RT.

RedThat · 08-16-2009, 10:51 AM

I sense hatred for McIntosh lol

**Bwana** · 08-16-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by old_geezer

After watching our receivers last night I'm of the opinion that "The Vampires" would be a good name for this unit since (with the exception of Bowe) they all seem to suck at what they do.

**the Talking Can** · 08-16-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I had to turn it off.

Niswanger was meh.

Goff was downright bad.

McIntosh was McIntosh.

We didn't run the ball behind the right side of the line until AFTER Goff had left the game, and even then, the one time they did, Charles was stopped for a 1 yard gain.

It's only pre-season, but we're going to face much better defensive fronts than Houston in the regular season - better lock this shit up.

thanks, that confirms my fearful impressions...

Chiefnj2 · 08-16-2009, 11:46 AM

I watched into the 2nd quarter this morning. I was semi-impressed by the starting defense. Their first time ever in a 3-4 and it wasn't that bad. Reading some of the in-game comments last night had me believing I'd be watching a GROB/HERM/Gunther reincarnate.

On offense, IMO, Haley was observing things we can't specifically identify. Obviously he wanted to see the new receivers against a first string defense. Other than that, the play calling was very plain and put Cassel in some tough situations.

**DeezNutz** · 08-16-2009, 11:49 AM

This is the type of thread where CP really shines.

Some really nice individual analyses from a lot of posters in this thread. Thanks for the efforts, boys.

Hammock Parties · 08-16-2009, 12:03 PM

People are being too harsh on Sackintosh because of his reputation.

He had a good game last night.

Hell the worst whiff of the night belonged to Albert.

milkman · 08-16-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

People are being too harsh on Sackintosh because of his reputation.

He had a good game last night.

Hell the worst whiff of the night belonged to Albert.

Yes, Albert did make a mental mistake, and as a result, he did have the whiff of the night.

However, if you actually watched McSuckoff, and actually knew what you were watching, something I know you haven't a clue on, you'd see that McSuckoff isn't being harshly critisized.

Hammock Parties · 08-16-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Yes, Albert did make a mental mistake, and as a result, he did have the whiff of the night.

However, if you actually watched McSuckoff, and actually knew what you were watching, something I know you haven't a clue on, you'd see that McSuckoff isn't being harshly critisized.

I didn't watch him that closely. But he wasn't getting blown by like he did last year.

milkman · 08-16-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I didn't watch him that closely. But he wasn't getting blown by like he did last year.

I already noted earlier in this thread (or elsewhere, perhaps) that his quickness has improved.

But he still isn't able to sustain a block, and he is virtually useless as a run blocker.

Hammock Parties · 08-16-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I already noted earlier in this thread (or elsewhere, perhaps) that his quickness has improved.

But he still isn't able to sustain a block, and he is virtually useless as a run blocker.

No question. I was speaking strictly to pass protection.

**Rain Man** · 08-16-2009, 01:44 PM

Having watched the game this morning, I'll offer the following observations.

1. If I was a Mauritanian goatherd watching my first football game knowing nothing about contracts or draft value, I'd say that Brodie Croyle was the best quarterback on the team. I know Cassel is the starter, but Brodie zipped that ball and played well.

2. Julian Battle is going to make the team and be a good breather back for LJ.

3. Dantrell Savage will be our return guy, if for no reason other than he can field a kick. I know it was wet, but those other return guys scared me.

4. Let's hope Dwayne Bowe doesn't get hurt this year, or it'll be like the Chris Thomas year back in 2001 when Trent first arrived. And I didn't get enough information on the tight ends to even consider them.

5. People are way too hard on McIntosh around here. I'm not saying he's an all-pro, but there's a legitimate likelihood that he's our best RT right now. That said, if Herb or Barry beats him, that's great.

6. I thought our d-line did decently well at their job of holding the line of scrimmage, first drive excepted. It seemed to me that Edwards was doing better than Tank, but I didn't see a whole lot of Tank.

7. I wasn't as impressed with Corey Mays as the announcers were. I kind of saw Pat Thomas v2009.

8. Magee is active. I'll be interested in seeing his progression.

9. Andy Studebaker is going to make the team, and I think they're trying to figure out how to use him. I think he played three full quarters, which means they're testing him. If not for Hali being penciled in, I could really see Studebaker as a starting pass-rushing linebacker.

10. Hali seemed to be around the ball a lot, but I was also trying to figure out why Houston was completing all those short passes in the first half. With the camera work, I couldn't tell if it was Hali getting beat or something else.

11. Pollard was making some explosive hits. I'm not sure why they didn't pull him, though, since he obviously hurt an ankle or something early on.

12. I like our corners. Leggett is one of those out-of-nowhere guys that I've got high hopes for.

**Iowanian** · 08-16-2009, 02:39 PM

I rewatched part of the game.

Something to consider, Goff and Sackingash were lined up against Okoye and Williams, who are a pretty good tandem.

It doesn't make their performance any less shitty but it makes more sense.

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

I rewatched part of the game.

Something to consider, Goff and Sackingash were lined up against Okoye and Williams, who are a pretty good tandem.

It doesn't make their performance any less shitty but it makes more sense.

That's a good point.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-16-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

People are being too harsh on Sackintosh because of his reputation.

He had a good game last night.

You're ****ing insane.

08-15-2009, 10:04 PM
shammus Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $7674957	A few thoughts on individual performances in tonights game.... Don't really have any stats to back all this up but here's what I noticed as I was watching tonights game. Defense shows some promise but offense appeared to be really sputtering. Succup and Colquitt were solid on special teams while our return game was pretty bad. Anyways, I'm sure there's stuff I missed, but here's what I saw specifically - The Good Offense Dwayne Bowe - the offense didn't really pick up until he got into the game. Had several nice plays, including a diving catch and didn't drop any passes. He might have been our biggest impact player in that game. Bradley had a couple nice grabs too. First team Oline - didn't get to watch this unit too close. Looked like Albert was doing well though. Dantrell Savage had several nice runs and a good catch out of the backfield. Backup quarterbacks - looked like Croyle did a decent job moving the ball down the field and Thigpen had some success when he was in as well (mostly running though) Defense Dorsey and Jackson appeared to be getting good penetration. I thought I saw Jackson even get a sack or did they give that to Studebaker? Derrick Johnson was all over the field...several tackles Tamba Hali - same thing...a couple of his stops were in the backfield Corey Mays - also racked up quite a few tackles. On the whole, the first team unit of linebackers did really well. Demorrio Williams played well when he was in too. Didn't hear them call Vrabel's name though.... Flowers was very effective. Forced a fumble, nearly had a pick six and played solid defense. I thought Leggett looked really good too - had a sack in the first quarter and was still making plays in the 4th Alex Magee had a few nice stops at the line against the run that I noticed Special Teams Succop was very impressive. All kickoffs were into the endzone or close to it. That 48 yard field goal was absolutely nailed. Very impressive in the rain. The Bad Offense The one sack we gave up looked like Brandon Albert's fault. It appeared it was Albert who totally whiffed on Connor Barwin but the announcers said it was Herb Taylor. Offensive line play dropped off when the backups came in. The success we had running the ball appeared to be because of Jackie Battle and Dantrell Savage, two guys fighting for a spot with the team. LJ and Javarris Williams were "meh" at best and I don't even recall Jamaal Charles getting in the game. I noticed Thigpen running for his life and Croyle throwing on the run quite a bit. The offense really sputtered when Cassel was running it. He had Copper and Darling as his starting wideouts though. When Bradley and Bowe came in, things picked up. Cassel had a couple nice completions and it looked like a couple of the others were dropped. Did Toomer or Engram even play?? Defense Didn't seem as though our 2nd team defense put any pressure on the QB and they were able to move the ball down the field easier Didn't hear Tank Tyler's name called more than once (for a tackle) and didn't hear Edwards called at all. How was our play at NT?? Ugh.....for Chrissakes.... Not pretty for our return game. Never saw anyone get past the 23 yard line on a KR or PR and nobody (Savage, Lawrence, Wright) really stood out and distinguished themselves. I noticed a couple drops too which I suppose happens in the rain. Letting Matt Turk rumble for a first down was abysmal. He even fumbled the snap first. Someone clearly missed an assignment on that one... Both Cassel and Croyle fumbled a snap apiece from under center. This led to two turnovers on our side of the field. Oddly enough, Houston didn't appear to have any issues hanging on to the ball though...hmmmm.... Last edited by shammus; 08-15-2009 at 10:22 PM..
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08-16-2009, 10:51 AM	#107
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08-16-2009, 11:46 AM	#110
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	I watched into the 2nd quarter this morning. I was semi-impressed by the starting defense. Their first time ever in a 3-4 and it wasn't that bad. Reading some of the in-game comments last night had me believing I'd be watching a GROB/HERM/Gunther reincarnate. On offense, IMO, Haley was observing things we can't specifically identify. Obviously he wanted to see the new receivers against a first string defense. Other than that, the play calling was very plain and put Cassel in some tough situations. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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08-16-2009, 12:03 PM	#112
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08-16-2009, 01:44 PM	#117
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-722449 VARSITY	Having watched the game this morning, I'll offer the following observations. 1. If I was a Mauritanian goatherd watching my first football game knowing nothing about contracts or draft value, I'd say that Brodie Croyle was the best quarterback on the team. I know Cassel is the starter, but Brodie zipped that ball and played well. 2. Julian Battle is going to make the team and be a good breather back for LJ. 3. Dantrell Savage will be our return guy, if for no reason other than he can field a kick. I know it was wet, but those other return guys scared me. 4. Let's hope Dwayne Bowe doesn't get hurt this year, or it'll be like the Chris Thomas year back in 2001 when Trent first arrived. And I didn't get enough information on the tight ends to even consider them. 5. People are way too hard on McIntosh around here. I'm not saying he's an all-pro, but there's a legitimate likelihood that he's our best RT right now. That said, if Herb or Barry beats him, that's great. 6. I thought our d-line did decently well at their job of holding the line of scrimmage, first drive excepted. It seemed to me that Edwards was doing better than Tank, but I didn't see a whole lot of Tank. 7. I wasn't as impressed with Corey Mays as the announcers were. I kind of saw Pat Thomas v2009. 8. Magee is active. I'll be interested in seeing his progression. 9. Andy Studebaker is going to make the team, and I think they're trying to figure out how to use him. I think he played three full quarters, which means they're testing him. If not for Hali being penciled in, I could really see Studebaker as a starting pass-rushing linebacker. 10. Hali seemed to be around the ball a lot, but I was also trying to figure out why Houston was completing all those short passes in the first half. With the camera work, I couldn't tell if it was Hali getting beat or something else. 11. Pollard was making some explosive hits. I'm not sure why they didn't pull him, though, since he obviously hurt an ankle or something early on. 12. I like our corners. Leggett is one of those out-of-nowhere guys that I've got high hopes for. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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08-16-2009, 02:39 PM	#118
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $1658454	I rewatched part of the game. Something to consider, Goff and Sackingash were lined up against Okoye and Williams, who are a pretty good tandem. It doesn't make their performance any less shitty but it makes more sense.
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